Tesla reveals Semi-Truck and new Sports Car

Can you back up that wild claim with hard data? Can you back up any of your wild claims?

No? You mean it's just you being hysterical? Imagine that.

If you can't back up any of your nutty claims -- and you haven't so far -- that should disqualify you from the discussion.

 

They would just call it a tax, or don't you get my drift?

 

I am unaware of a subsidy paid to Tesla. I am well aware however of the subsidies to petroleum industries and the tax breaks they get. Perhaps you could provide a link so I can be informed?

 

The only "Drift" I get is that you have chosen to spew made up inaccuracy into a thread involving fact and technology you for some reason hate.

 

Obviously, no.

For example.

https://electrek.co/2017/10/18/tesla-model-s-fire-high-speed-crash-video-impressive-operation/

Tesla crashes into concrete barrier at high speed. Driver walks away. The dreaded battery fire there ... remained confined to the battery. The car didn't burn. The firefighters used _water_ on it, despite the claims people make that you can't do that.

The only fatal Tesla crash I recall was the dumb guy who actually thought the autopilot meant he could let the car drive by itself, and then got flattened by a truck.

One thing I do agree on ... self-driving cars are a crappy idea. However, it might work with the Tesla Semis in convoy mode, where a line of robot-trucks follows one truck with a human driver.

 

So, you're unaware of what a heat pump is, and how all the new EV's have them?

 

Subsidies are a cash payment from the Government.

So, since you are "well aware", what subsidies that petroleum industries get, are you speaking of @tecoyah?

I chuckle at tax breaks. This theory rests on the claims by politicians that all income belongs to the Federal Government so they give out tax breaks so you get to keep some of your money.

That is funny.

This is the truth about petroleum and Federal taxes

 

Probably because your getting so excited about ancient technology, hey I can sell you the new technology that just came out , you don't even need to plug it in or fuel it up...

 

So that heat pump runs now on pixie dust?

 

Hey I just invented a new cordless drill, you want to buy it?

 

I posted three articles that were on the first page of a quick google. **** off!

 

https://www.barrons.com/articles/will-end-of-subsidies-kill-electric-vehicle-market-1494357038

I oppose all subsidies lock stock and barrel. I don't mind tax reductions so long as they are equal and over everyone for that sector but that is almost never the case. I am on the losing side of this argument though because countries like China will actually build a city to attract business so is the US wants to be competitive they are forced to do handouts as well. This wouldn't be an issue if we had a President who really wanted fair trade and no Trump isn't that President he just talks a lot.

 

"Ancient Technology" can be extremely exciting as it is advanced. The telescope, the wheel, literally everything can be considered ancient...even typing his out on my abacus. That does not explain your need to make stuff up to debase it.

People used Oil lamps thousands of years ago....

 

Even in Aus there are not too many stretches where there are no petrol stations within 500 k. But you would not start with outback Aus. You would start with short runs

 

EVs are in the future and it will not be for environmental reasons, but economic ones. It will not be around $200,000 semi-exotic cars, but commercial vehicles and ordinary cars.

 

You obviously never owned a horse.

 

How far is the DRIVER allowed to go? They are limited to 70 hours in an eight day period. That means not more than about 600 miles a shift. Since a Tesla truck can be 80% recharged in 30 minutes, there is no reason why a driver could not do a full shift with one rest break.

And since the Tesla truck can maintain highway speeds in the mountains, look to start seeing them show up on runs in the Rockies and in the Blue Ridge and Applacians.

 

And now the facts.

The Cummins has a range of only 100 miles. It is also a Class 7 truck, while the Tesla is a class 8.

Most of Tesla's sales are in the luxury class. The Model S starts at $70,000.

However, they are in the $30,000 range now with the Model 3.

And, you can go to your local Chevrolet dealer and buy a very well reviewed Bolt for the same price, which has a 230 mile range (the distance most Americans drive in a week).

The Bolt has gotten excellent reviews, and the owners I have talked to really really like the car (it's loaded with really cool features, including the ability to have a look down view of the entire car).

This is happening today. The future is arriving.

None the less, we have steady chorus of backward looking right wingers telling us it's never going to happen and spouting the same set of rationalizations they've been saying for years.

 

No It can't maintain 65 in the mountains for exactly the same reason that a regular semi can't. You can't stay on the road a 65 in the mountains. I's not the incline that slows you down it's the twists and turns. And TEsla's breaks aren't going to be any better than any body else's so long declines with a full load can be an issue for it as well. The Tesla has a top limit of 500 miles. The semi in that same ten hours will go 650 maybe 700 at highway speed. And let's not forget that East of the Mississippi your real power source is likely to be coal.

NOt to mention which heat pumps tend to be pretty inefficient in extreme temperatures above 100F and below freezing.

 

When did Chevy change the name from Volt? And it is still nearly double the price of anything else in It's class.

I drive nearly 500 miles a week just hauling people to school and work.

Dude still hasn't gotten production of the model three to the point where he won't lose money at 30 k each. And again like the Volt at thirty K it is way more expensive than anything else in it's class.

 

That's great news, of course.

The car is uselessly high-performence: it also comes in an age where actually driving a car is so 1970 - everything's getting automated with cameras, auto-lockable doors, alarms and klaxons, and USB ports - hackable cars one have little actual control over. One can feel the machine taking over, as it makes a good match with our more and more authoritative societies. I like spartian, manual cars with as little electronics as possible between me and the machine.

The trucks doesn't have a long enough range: Many of these things work around the clock, with driving teams. They might be more suited to JIT delivery around urbanized hubs, the ones that create the worst pollution, urban one (diesels are relatively less polluting than regular engines anyway). There's still room for improvement here.

As for recharge, we are still early, and it's easy to see that batteries and recharge means will get more refined, very soon. I don't worry about it.

My next car will likely be electrical. I just wish they start making them with more "manly" appearances - they all look designed for wimmin-folk.

 

Well. Tesla has you on both counts. Diesel powered semis can't climb steep grades fully laden. Tesla will.

As to brakes, the Tesla will have vastly superior brakes to the air brakes now in use. They also have the considerable advantage of regenerative braking, which not only very effectively slows the vehicle, but uses the energy accumulated in slowing the vehicle to add power back to the batteries. The actual brakes will be used far less frequently than with petrol powered trucks, and the systems and wearing surfaces will last vastly longer. Think of it as a Jake brake on steroids. And this is not an experimental thing. We have millions of miles of driving experience with regenerative brakes in hybrid cars now.

Anyone who has driven an electric or hybrid car knows this. I drove my Prius 140,000 miles before it needed front brake pads, and another 40,000 before the rears showed serious wear. This is normal.

Couple this with the fact that electric motors are incredibly reliable, and advantages over the old tried and true technology are obvious.

And East of the Mississippi coal is being abandoned gradually.

 

Yes, the next car I buy will almost certainly be electric.

By then, I expect to have a choice of five or six products all in the $30 k range. Two already exist.

 

Bwahahaha..i have been driving electric forklifts and golf carts since the 1980s..

They serve their purpose, but when I want power I use a diesel