Trump says Jerusalem is the capital of Israel

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  1. TomFitz

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    Gee, Kapitan Kaos strikes again!

    What could possibly go wrong!
     
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    Israel became a recognized state in 1948 and has been under constant attack for 69 years. Add to this that more and more states are becoming anti-semitic. I'm not a fan of Trump, but this announcement is sure to stir things up. Maybe some good will come from it. Maybe nothing will change. We'll see.
     
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    Donald Trump doesn't give a crap about anyone but Donald Trump
     
  4. Sandy Shanks

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    On the other hand those people wouldn't die if Trump didn't make this disastrous decision that is opposed by every other national leader on the planet, including the leaders of nations in the Middle East. Trump is being extremely presumptuous by assuming authority over the region. That alone could prove a be a danger to our national security and American lives.

    Let's just say it is highly controversial. Trump should have kept his big nose out of it. He did this to keep a promise to his base, a promise that should not have been made. I can't think of anything more ridiculous. This decision proves his incompetence.
     
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    Count on RT to report on what the terrorists think about this:

    https://www.rt.com/news/412363-qaeda-jerusalem-muslim-action

    Al-Qaeda says Trump's Jerusalem decision ‘clear challenge to Muslim world’
    Published time: 7 Dec, 2017 18:30

    Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) has condemned Donald Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. It also urged militants to be ready to support the Palestinians.

    The Yemeni-based Islamist militant group said Trump's decision was the result of what it called "normalization steps" between some Gulf Arab countries and Israel. It also reinforced its support for the Palestinian cause, calling the recent step by Washington “a clear challenge to the Muslim world.” AQAP’s statement was carried by the US SITE monitoring group.

    The group went on to urge its militants to be ready to support the Palestinians, and appealed to Muslims to help with money and weapons, Reuters reported. It said if no action is taken, holy Muslim sites, including the Kabah in Mecca, "will be sold" and left without anyone to defend it.

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    Kind of makes me more sympathetic to Trump's and Israel's position on this.
     
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    Do you always get all your news from the Russian propaganda network?

    You are reminded that the leaders of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan have denounced Trump's decision along with the leaders of Britain, France, Germany, and The Netherlands. In fact, only two national leaders on the planet support the decision, Trump and Netanyahu.

    At least 31 Palestinians have been wounded in clashes in the Gaza Strip and across the occupied West Bank, during protests against US President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

    Mr Trump's announcement - met with worldwide dismay - reversed decades of US policy on the sensitive issue.

    Israel deployed hundreds of extra troops in the West Bank as Palestinians went on strike and took to the streets.

    Protesters set tyres alight and threw stones, and Israeli troops fired tear gas, rubber bullets and live bullets.

    One rocket fired from the Gaza Strip exploded inside southern Israel while others fell short, Israel's army said.

    In response, an Israeli tank and an aircraft targeted "two terror posts" in Gaza, the army said without giving further details.


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42265337

    Israeli forces were bracing for the possibility of even stronger violence on Friday, when tens of thousands of Palestinians attend weekly prayers at Jerusalem's Al Aqsa Mosque, the city's most sacred Islamic site. In Gaza, the supreme leader of the Hamas militant group called on Palestinians to launch a new uprising against Israel. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...jerusalem-capital-embassy-20171207-story.html

    This is just the beginning. All of this is a result of Trump's decision and it is only going to get worse.

    Do you still think Trump's decision was a good idea? If somehow you do, please explain why.
     
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    US missions across the Middle East are braced for more violent protests against Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, after widespread clashes between Palestinians and Israeli forces on Thursday. Violence spilled on to the streets in cities across the occupied West Bank as international anger grew over Trump’s move. The most violent confrontations occurred in Ramallah, Bethlehem and Hebron, where Israeli security forces fired teargas and plastic-coated rounds and hundreds of protesters threw stones and set alight barricades. In the Gaza Strip, two protesters were wounded by live fire, with one reported to be in a critical condition.

    International condemnation has been all but unanimous. A meeting of the UN security council has been called for Friday to discuss Trump’s decision.

    https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ts-against-trumps-jerusalem-move-turn-violent

    This is just the start. Trust me, when it comes to the Middle East, I know what I am talking about. I have been dealing with M.E. matters for over 55 years. I was a columnist for twelve of those years, dealing mostly with the M.E. I have even written a book of fiction concerning the M.E., fiction, but based on reality.
     
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    Your point is well taken, Robert. Tell that to Trump.
     
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    Robert, you are confused. I have not defended the Palestinians. I have not defended Israel, for that matter. I am not talking about Israel's decision regarding its capital. Review my article. I am talking about Trump's decision and its consequences.
     
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    Throwing gasoline on a smouldering fire for no return isn't sane, let alone sensible.
     
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    America has nothing to do with it. Trump made the decision, and the vast majority of Americans disagree. Of course, only his base agrees with him, but that means nothing. If Trump had murdered Mother Theresa, his base would stick with him.
     
  12. Robert

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    This has nothing to do with the deceased mother Theresa. This has to do with Israel. As you know, they picked the capital city in 1950. must you be constantly reminded?
    i did not say we Americans have a say, this is the sort of thing Presidents have long done. Trump cleaned the mess up.
     
  13. Robert

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    Which is what I said. Want it repeated one more time? The capital of all countries are up to them. Not you nor even Trump. All Trump took care of is we finally do recognize the capital city is Jerusalem. Fact is, the FBI world fact book has long recognized it as Jerusalem. Are you simply not aware of whom picks there capitals?
     
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    Trump never selected any capital of any country.
     
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    The Palestinians have lost their minds. They were not defined as a country until 1988. Israel beat them to the punch when it comes to picking capitals. As you wisely tell us, the Palestinians are the worst sort of A holes because as you admit, they are violent people. They will commit violence as you said and of course Israel is excellent at handling such mobs.
     
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    This is the first move toward peace by any US President. Once the Palestinians know that Jerusalem will never be theirs, they can begin to negotiate for real and peace has a chance, with them still demanding Jerusalem there is no chance for peace
     
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    Why the hell do you cater to the Arabs? I say you flat out defend them. Every word you speak of the Arabs makes them seem like little angels They cause wars.

    We do not want our nation to be led around by the nose by Arab masters. Obama tried it and failed.
     
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    Gad, Americans are so stupid............
     
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    Yes, some see Saudi Arabia as our best pals.
     
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    Read: https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ts-against-trumps-jerusalem-move-turn-violent

    So, you are happy with the violence. This is only the start. It will be worse tomorrow.

    You are perfectly happy with the violence. You don't care that innocent people are going to get hurt.

    This is all very typical for a Trump supporter. Trump doesn't care, either.
     
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    Why do you accept that the Palestinians can wage combat against Israel? Surely you do not think the Palestinians, your sweet hearts will arrive in force here in the USA?

    Treat yourself to our long standing CIA fact book and tell us all the name of the capital of Israel located in said book?
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html
     
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    Margot, cut us some slack. Not all Americans. Just the idiots that support Trump.

    They are getting desperate and making absolute fools of themselves. They are gradually admitting to themselves that they made a horrible mistake and they are lashing out.
     
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    So, you smoked us out. You now admit whom you hate. It is we alleged Trump voters. Well Sandy, you sure picked one hell of a witch to back. And you admitted it.
     
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    It's not a big deal. Or, perhaps, after watching the violent liberal mob in the US during the last 2 years it does not appear to be a big deal.... But I digress, don't worry, the Israeli troops will quickly restore law and order and the perpetrators of the violence and mayhem will be held responsible.

    Yes, the arab street is indeed violent and innocent people should stay as far away from the violent arab mob as possible. But of course policy decisions can't be made under the threat and blackmail of Arab violence. You already know this, right?
     
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    There is a word for this and it's called Christianophobia. So sad.
     
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