Iran threatens to block straights of Hormuz

Most Muslims are smarter than that.

 

Using that logic, how do you validate the Qur'an.
It is supposed to be from God, word for word.
We know it was plagiarized from Judism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and Greek medical.

 

Muhammed made no claim of divinity.

 

And Judiasm was plagiarized from the Mythos of Sumer, Egypt and the Canaanites of Ras Shamra.

 

read it again, slowly this time. Messenger of God.

 

That's correct, it is amazing how people still believe in this stuff, when so much of it can be traced, conflicting with the way it is presented.

 

But we have the problem of Muslims from all over, going on rampages, quoting this crap.
More so than any other religion.

 

This is true but, since we use a heck of a lot more oil than we produce - the pain is bigger than the gain.

 

There was no mention of some drought in Syria or the collapse of their oil industry in my post.

I realize that you have no coherent response to the evidence provided but building a big strawman in an attempt to demonize the messenger is not an argument for much.

 

The connection between the official beliefs of a religion, and how the adherents of that religion act, is extremely loose. It mainly serves as a justification for people doing things they were going to do anyway, thus the old poem,

The Christian is a man
Who asks forgiveness on a Sunday
For what he did on Saturday
And is going to do on Monday.

Religions are comforting fairy tales for adults, designed to make us feel better about death. When they apparently counsel us to do, or not do, things that we want to do, we largely ignore their teachings.

If Christians had acted according to the teachings of Christ ... how different world history would be. But people put self-interest first. When the teachings of the religion get in the way of this, they ignore them. When they can be used to justify the actions taken in self-interest, they quote them.

Where, in the teachings of the Buddha, is there any incitement to violence? Yet Buddhists have always taken part in war, and within the last few years, we have seen terrible Buddhist violence against Hindus in Sri Lanka, and against Muslims in Burma and India. Tribal loyalty beats religion (and everything else).

Roman Catholics are supposed not to use artificial methods of birth control, but most them ignore the Church's teachings on this point. (The Church hierarchy, which wisely puts its own survival above doctrinal purity, will no doubt soon fall in line behind popular opinion on this, and other matters. )

Somehow, the supposed drive of Muslims to conquer the rest of us was overlooked by everyone until the Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1979.

In fact, Islam was seen by the leaders of the West as a helpful auxiliary in the fight against godless Communism in Afghanistan, and against secular nationalism in Palestine. So Islamists were the recipients of Western support .... for a while. Smart move!!!!

Today, about a third of Muslims worldwide -- several hundred million people -- support the illiberal prescriptions on personal freedom of Islam, and a smaller but still significant minority support the use of violence against infidels. But this is not the result of some unchanging eternal fixed Muslim predisposition -- they have been activated by modern history, which is dragging the whole planet into the vortex of politics. A few generations ago, Muslims were almost completely passive, anchored in backwardness. The modern world doesn't permit this any more.

In the long run, if we don't destroy ourselves, all the stupidities of Islam will follow the stupidities of Christianity, and become just a cultural reference, and Muslims will behave like Christians and Jews and Buddhists and atheists do when tribal conflict is not on the agenda -- that is to say, pretty decently -- when the tribes have begun to melt into each other and a world-culture, secular and democratic and influenced by science -- emerges.

Speed the day!

 

Kudos for your entry, it makes everything warm and fuzzy, but it is not realistic.
Of the religions mentioned, sure they had bad times, but Islam is different, and will not change.

Islam calls for the coversion, enslavement, or killing of all that is not muslim, and is still preached so today.
These words com from God himself. Now when you have people praying 5 times a day, they are brainwashing themselves, and they are not going to do less in 300 years, the religion will be the same.

 

Well, the Christian religion, in the original New Testament form, teaches many things. Christians ignore them. In fact, when Christianity was even more intense, a few hundred years ago, they ignored them even more. That is Christians then did things that they would, most of them living in civilized countries that is, regard as barbaric.

Why the change?

Muslims are undergoing this same change. It's modernity. It comes along with a modern economy, and a modern economy is slowly penetrating everywhere. A country made up mainly of illiterate peasants is going to be eaten up by others, so its rulers have a motivation to educate its population, to build factories if only to make tanks, and roads for the tanks to run on. But the factory workers then are not the same as their peasant ancestors, and their children even less so. You have to see this from the perspective of fifty-year increments, but when you do, it's astonishing how fast the world is catching up to what the Europeans started.

You're becoming a modern person when, if your child becomes ill, your first port of call is the scientific medical system: drugs, surgery, X-rays, etc. .. not the local priest or imam or rabbi or witchdoctor You may in addition add some religious hocus-pocus -- even non-religious people can't resist crystal healing, homeopathy, Reiki, and other nonsense -- but unless you're really really stupid, self-interest makes you consult the works of the atheistic scientists. (The vaccine against polio was a Jewish discovery -- Muslims who would refuse it on those grounds will be improving the human gene pool by removing themselves from it.)

Muslims are being dragged into modernity, like all the rest of us, whether they like it or not. That's why women are driving now in Saudi Arabia, why the Mullahs of Iran are no longer secure in their despotism. It's why two-thirds of the world's Muslims already approximate to civilized democratic values.

Indeed, we must not be polly-annas. Nearly a thousand young British Muslims left to go fight for ISIS, and openly boasted about hoping to rape captive women. This included some of the most privileged, best-educated young people in the UK. A significant minority of British Muslims endorse the values of Anti-fa, Hitler, and Stalin when it comes to free expression. The question is the direction of motion, in the long un.

Engels said that history drags her chariot forward over mountains of human corpses. Modernity does not necessarily automatically, evenly, uniformly result in the sort of behavior we want to see: there are steps backward, and the power of civilization does not always get coupled with its mercy, as witness Nazi Germany.

But the direction of motion is forward.

 

Islam most certainly has changed if you look at it from a 70 year perspective as I do.. 10-15 years ago educated young Saudi clerics announced that a lot of what passes for Islam was simply old tribal customs... referencing unauthenticated hadiths. They had the support of the SAG leadership and the majority of citizens.

So yes, its changing .. If you ever lived in the Arab world, you would have known that.

 

If there had been no Western colonialism and quasi-colonialism, Islam would be evolving more or less as Hinduism has and is.

But there was, and Islamism is the form that national self-assertion is now taking.

Originally it took the form of pseudo-Communist Leftism, as in much of the Third World, where new governments looked to the Soviets for a model of how to modernize, while defying your former colonial masters and not imitating them. But that turned out to be a busted flush and so Islam is where militants have turned (with a little help from the West, as in Afghanistan and possibly inadvertently, Libya and Syria).

That will turn out to be a dead end as well.

In another 20 or 30 years they'll all be working for Chinese companies anyway.

 

Those countries with colonial pasts have had a harder time resisting the Soviet influences and the heat of nationalism.

Communists overthrew the Afghan monarchy in the mid 1970s.. Communists fought Royalists in Yemen in the 1960s.. Syria and Iraq have had their struggles with Baathism.. and Egypt had its own flirtation with the Soviets.

 

[2.106] Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?


[16.101] And when We change (one) communication for (another) communication, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say: You are only a forger. Nay, most of them do not know.

Only Islam dictates the form of government and law to be applied. Only Islam advocates violence to establish the world dominance of Islamic government and law.

 

Well, thank all that is holy that Canada is right next door....

 

We are limited by pipeline capacity..

 

Which country has Islamic government and law?

 

No thanks to the O, huh?

 

Trump told Americans that he was going to use US steel to build Keystone... LOL.. Transcanada immediately said NO.. they were using Canadian steel.

Additional pipeline capacity wasn't necessary until recently, but since the ppb is going back up.. maybe by $50 a barrel.. the investment is more attractive.

 

WHAT?????

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

If that ain't claiming to be the Big Guy on Campus with a direct connection to the Big Guy in the Sky, I don't know what is.

 

First the Hadiths are not the word of Allah. They are the words of the prophet.

WE also know that ALL other holy scriptures are "plagiarized" or derivative of ancient mythologies.

 

Get serious, nothing is the word of Allah.
They don't even know when Allah was adopted into Islam.

 

To ignorant for a response.