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This is where a serious problem comes up. Interpretation is one of the many excuses used.
The Qur'an, is so haphazard, it can be interpreted in many ways, a slick talking cleric can turn a verse from a battle, to a prayer, to a tuna fish sandwich. It skips from one thing to another, no storyline, no context, it is not in chronological order, and the typical muslim knows nothing of abrogation.
You need the Sunnah, to understand what can be understood, and to put things in a proper timeline.

The Sunnah however needs no interpretation, it is written very plainly. Granted there are many contradictions, but they are plainly written, and easily understood.
I don't make "interpretations".

 

I have spoken with many Muslims.
And then I get their explanation. These vary with what they are taught.
I prefer one came to my home, where I have all the books.

 

I can say exactly the same things about the bible. For that matter any slick talking preacher can do it regardless of their religious affiliation.

Of course you make interpretations. EVERYBODY does it. You read a passage and you "interpret" it. Sometimes its literal, some times its allegorical, sometimes its metaphorical, sometimes is so obscure as to allow it to be interpreted in opposing fashion.

As for scriptural contradictions, I defy you to find ANY "holy scriptures" that don't contain any number of them.

And how many of the hadiths you have read are legit? Its oft estimated that up to 80% of them are forgeries. But you knew that.

 

This is the part you can't seem to understand.
Islam was written about 1200 years ago, and made into law.
It was used to conquer , rape and raid.
Muhammed himself, said to rob them too, for they must suffer disgrace.
Muhammed got 20% of the booty collected.

The leaders of these Califates get a lot of money.

Be a good muslim, read your Qur'an, don't make waves or we will kill you.

 

I'm not a Christian so I am not going to defend it.
The bible has all kinds of crazy s--t, however with the coming of Jesus the mindset changed.

Jesus and Muhammed are 180 degrees different.

Muhammed raped, robbed and killed, Jesus did none of that.
There are only 2 controversial verses about Jesus, and many hundreds of plainly written ones about muhammed.

 

Mohammed never raped anyone.

He killed and robbed for sure.

Only two controversial verses? Then what the hell have the last 2000 years of sectarian war and the mountain range of apologetics all about? Violent agreement?

 

OF COURSE their explanations vary with what they are taught. OMG. You can say the same thing about every follower of religion and every damn human on the planet.

Can you come up with any issues over what they are taught or do you only do generalized excoriation?

 

No I cannot, my rhetoric is from the written documention. Not the individual teachings by any one of countless sects.

 

How about the wife, I forget which one, when after he killed her husband, brother, and people, waited until her menses were over, went into the tent and raped her, while his men waited outside worried she might kill him.

How about 9 year old Ashia, he was 53.

 

Arabs has extensive trade relations long before Islam... with intermarriage.. There was no Caliphate during Muhammed's lifetime.

Muslims were not allowed to kill women, children, non combatants or livestock... or anyone who wasn't attacking Muslims.

 

I am not familiar with that story about mo. Which wife are you referring to?

As for Ashia, it was a common practice to marry young girls. It was also haram to have sex with a girl that had not achieved menses.

 

Don't you know anything about Muhammed. I suggest you stop talking to your friends and start reading the only documentation on the planet.

Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account". (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766)

 

Aisha was born before the Call so she was between 17-19..

Muhammed forbid the exposure of infant girls and insisted that every woman including widows had to have the security of belonging to a family and tribe. It was the only way they could survive in Arabia.

 

Okay. so at least you agree you are making a gross generalization based wholly on your own interpretation of what you read and without any expert guidance.

Perhaps you should not be so definitive in your conclusions considering that admission.

 

Dude, you are in some fantasyland, read the friggin books.
Muhammeds people killed lots of women, and Livestock, and non combatants. shall I dig up verses.

 

You can bulls--t that over and over, but I can dig up lots, and lots, of verses, some from Ashia herself, that prove that wrong.

 

Safiyah? you mean mohammed's wife who wielded considerable political power along with Aisha? The jewish wife of a jewish leader who was defeated in battle and of a tribe that was given no quarter? Females and slaves were spared as per standard operating procedures of the day.

When in history did the time honored tradition of the war lord having the pick of the litter when it comes to conquered females end? It sure as hell wasn't the 7th century. And he married her, he didn't enslave her.

As for being horny, I know it comes as a shock that mo was a virile man of his day. IN today's world Jesus would be a liberal beta male metrosexual.

A more honest and considered approach would be to consider the contemporary mores and values of the period in question. Judging 7th century actions by the social/moral/ethical norms of the 21st is a tremendous intellectual conceit.

 

LOL

Busted you, you are reading from Islamic sites, made up stories.

Show me the hadieths where she has power.

Ashia did, after Muhammeds death, she sided with Ali.

BTW< the Shia claim Ashia is in hell.

 

Naturally a wife of muhammed will have some kind of authority

 

I see you never read about Jesus either.

I have repeatedly stated there is a difference between Islam, and muslims.

Just like there is a difference between Christianity, and Christians.

 

There are 4 or 5 stories about Safiyah and they contradict each other.

 

Show me.

 

No you can't.. The hadiths are not reliable.


“A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.” [4] (Bolding is mine.)

To facilitate understanding dates of these events, please note that it was in the tenth year of the Call, i.e. the tenth year after the Holy Prophet Muhammad received his calling from God to his mission of prophethood, that his wife Khadija passed away, and the approach was made to Abu Bakr for the hand of his daughter Aisha. The hijra or emigration of the Holy Prophet to Madina took place three years later, and Aisha came to the household of the Holy Prophet in the second year after hijra. So if Aisha was born in the year of the Call, she would be ten years old at the time of the nikah and fifteen years old at the time of the consummation of the marriage.

 

Look trying to provide context here is impossible. The fact that it was SOP to take in women and children of the defeated is lost on them. They only examine the past thru the filter of their contemporary mores making moral judgments that NOBODY held during the time in question.

 

LOLOL

You act as if the Qur'an is.

Sorry, but these were written before the Qur'an, and there are a lot of them, some by her.

And BTW, there is nothing in all of Islamic text, that can be considered true, but it is these writings that make up the religion, and there are lots of muslims that would disagree with you. Muslims still claim child brides because muhammed did.