Iran threatens to block straights of Hormuz

The biggest problem is that from birth, a person is force-fed, the religion. Granted, he is fed the version of his parents, peers, local cleric, etc.
But from there, where can he go, If he is interested in learning, he will delve into the Sunnah, and here is where the s--t hits the fan.

In my experience, I have met, or spoke with, very few muslims who have read the Sunnah, instead relying on other sources to learn the religion.

 

Oh please.. Internet experts like you are a dime a dozen.

 

No, I claim they are abiding by the nuclear deal of 2014. You know the one that was implemented because they chose to develop a nuke themselves?

 

Just like the many christians who have never read the bible. Exactly the same actually.

 

Fundamentalism doesn't mean the same thing in Islam as it does in Christianity.. and if you had bothered with the whole body of the religion instead of cherry picking out of context, you'd know there is also mercy and tolerance...

 

In a way, however a very important part is the fact that most Christians can tell you all about Jesus, and have read at least parts of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John.

Muslims though, as a rule have read nothing from Muhammed.

Can you imagine a bible, claiming to be Christian, and omits the books of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John.

That's basically what Islam does with the Qur'an.

There is mercy and tolerance in the earlier writings, which have been abrogated.
Then there is mercy and basic rules that apply only to the group you are in. ie. The Jewish girl across the river is still fair game.

 

Dude, you aren't even aware of the whole body of the religion.
Virtually all of what I have posted, you never even heard of.
And I am prepared to back up anything I say about Islam, book and verse.

 

Abrogation is as Western invention.

 

Margot.

I am not questioning your version of Islam, whatever that may be.
I am presenting the documented version, from where all the sects draw their information to create what they preach, and lots of things are omitted for the various versions.

ie. Do you wipe your ass with an odd number of stones.
Do you spit on the left side of the bed when you have a bad dream.

Probably not, but there are countless numbers of muslims in the deserts that do.

 

Saudi Arabia has had a campaign since 2011 to keep young Saudis from going to Syria.. and if they do anyway, they go to prison when they return home.. ISIS declared war on KSA in 2011.

What is it that you think Saudi Arabia wants in Syria?

 

LOLOL.. Do you really read all that silly crap? Why? You have never lived anywhere in the Arab world.

 

No, it was invented by Muhammed himself.

Narrated 'Aisha: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq had never broken his oaths till Allah revealed the expiation for the oaths. Then he said, "If I take an oath to do something and later on I find something else better than the first one, then I do what is better and make expiation for my oath."


By Allah, and Allah willing, if I take an oath and later find something else better than that. then I do what is better and expiate my oath.' "
Sahih Bukhari 7:67:427

BTW, there are lots of these verses.

 

Hey, I didn't write it, I'm just reading the religion, and you will come across many hundreds of verses, that can be called silly crap/

 

Hey, do you drink camel piss.

Muhammed ordered it as a medicine when the men were affected with the climate of Medina.

people still drink it today, even sell it in the markets.

 

While I cannot pretend to guess what version of Islam you call home, I can tell from talking to you, your mentors allow you to only use the Qur'an, like the typical mindless sheep, but they have also, not told you the correct way to read it.

 

What sanctions? Top five countries buying oil from Iran ...

Top five countries buying oil from Iran. ... China bought 22 percent of Iran’s oil exports in the first half of last year, making it the top importer of Iranian oil..

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I'm sorry but your generalization about what muslims know or have read is nonsense.
EVERY muslim can tell you about mohammed with about as much precision as your average christian can.
I will agree however, that the differences between the meccan vs yathrib are pretty stark. With the yathrib being written in exile and mohammed being extremely peeved at just about everybody. A classic and glaring example of that fact that Man created scriptures and whatever "inspiration" was received was merely the author's trying to deal with their own situation.

I'm not a fan of religion, but I still don't like prejudicial one dimensional interpretations from those who oppose any particular one.
Legit criticism is a different story. From what I have read of your posts, you are a little bit of this and a little bit of that wrt Islam.

 

Fail.
The average muslim can tell you what he has been " taught" about muhammed, and this changes depending on sect, or just ignorance. He almost never reads it himself.
A Christian is encouraged to read about Jesus.
Most muslims never read about muhammed
I have been into this too long and make a different conclusion, and prime examples are the muslims I deal with here.

It has come up a few times where someone makes a statement about Muhammed.

My response is "where did you get that information".

This question never gets answered.


BTW. The Yathrub, ( Medina) Qur'an was not written in Exile. It was written after he conquered Mecca, and then Yathrub, changing the name to Medina.
Much of the Meccan Qur'an was written when he was in Yathrub.

My question to you is, where did you get that information.

 

I wish to confront one of these muslims you claim can speak of muhammed.

 

In response to my post that you quoted-

YOU replied

Which is in direct violation of the signed NPT agreement. AND the Paris agreement itself contains provisions that provides for withdrawing from the agreement. Trumps withdrawal from the agreement isn't a "renege" on the deal but is instead the operation of the deal.

 

My posts relate directly, to the documented version of Islam, not any particular group, so you will find differences.

And I will gladly provide proof for anything I write.

 

I am talking about your interpretation. You as a critic are doing exactl the same thing as any follower who reads their scri tures and takes from it what they want.

All holy scriptures can be interpreted to justify just about anything in the secular world. Its all just a matter of spin.

Then there is the corruption of religious teachings that are pervasive in every religion. American christians who reject the strangers in their midst and refuse to extend sacred family values for those strangers. That is on its, surface irreconcilable, with Jesus teachings unless of course you apply the appropriate interpretive spin.

Last time I looked neither jews nor christians were executing non virgin brides,despite biblical edicts.

 

First, Yathrib was renamed Medina AFTER mohammeds death.

Second, you should read some muslim history. He was forced out of Mecca when his power play to take over various concessions serving the haj failed. He got outta dodge and ran to Yathrub.

No, much of the meccan qu'ran was not written when he was in Yathrub. It was two very distinct recitals. By the time he got to yathrub he already had a small following of 70 or so fellow muslims. Can't be a muslim without the divine word of Allah, can you?

I get my information from history books, from reading the qu'ran, from reading too many hadiths and their apologetics, from many discussions with both imams and followers, numerous poly-sci papers, numerous threat assessments of radical islam, and general media sources. I am by no means and Islamic scholar, but I am fairly well acquainted with the fundamentals.

I have always held to the notion that one should know thy enemies and have been learning about Islam as an offshoot of my interest in the Israeli/arab clustermuck for some 35 years or so.

 

Don't be churlish. I suggest you wander on down to your local mosque and engage a few muslims. They would be more than willing to talk to a seeker of knowledge. At least that has been my experience.

 

eM

sorry for my misread.

But no, Its a renege as the conditions for withdrawal were not met. He unilaterally determined it was a bad deal.

I will say he's far more effective a deal breaker than he is a deal maker, tho. A real winner in that regard.