Biden's time to shine

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    As Jill Stein has noted the DP at least since The Clintons has consistently served "the causes of Wall Street, war and the Walmart economy". Now, Trump has managed to stampede our entire corrupt ruling political class to nihilism and psychosis.

    Steyer."So if the answer is that we need those three things to happen for a course correction, I'd prefer to move a little quicker. How about that? But I take your point. Maybe we can have, like, a nuclear war and then we get a real course correction."

    RS "Wow – that's...sobering."
    THE ROLLING STONE, A Conversation With Tom Steyer, the Liberal Billionaire Bankrolling Trump’s Impeachment, By Tim Dickinson, 6/29/18.
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/who-is-tom-steyer-w522136
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    You might want to remember that Biden isn't good at this. He has pretty much ALWAYS been on the wrong side of history. Don't forget that. And no, we as a nation shouldn't excuse these failures. When Biden wants a war, it isn't good for anyone but his polling team sure things it is. That's pretty horrible, don't you think? Folks have to die to make Biden "look" better.... When you really sit down to consider just how immoral Biden and his actions have been. And here you are cheerleading. Like this is what you want to happen. Sickening.
     
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  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds like you're still being critical of him for not starting a nuclear war with Russia.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's like saying Brandon doesn't interrupt his "Delaware basement" schedule. There are 24 hrs in a day. Brandon uses a far less percentage of them than his predecessor ever did. No telling how long his "naptime" is. We would expect a leader of the free world to lead from the front. He would immediately refuse ANY oil from Russia, and supply those needing it with any energy they need. We had that 2 years ago and Brandon put it to a halt. Europe is more United now because they see their butts on the line.....not because of ANYTHING Brandon has done!
     
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    Wow... I'd suggest that you knew when you wrote this that it was a lie. Biden is too stupid to prevent a nuclear war though. Evidence we see every day. Joe went "Toe to Toe", and he got knocked out. He's an embarrassment at this point. And let us all hope that his continued blundering doesn't push the world over the brink. Is this you, by use of projection, telling us that Nuclear war is what you want? Seriously?

    I mean this is a common tactic of the left. Attack others by claiming that they want what you do. It's pretty lame at this point.
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You, or any critic of Biden's handling of the current situation, have yet to articulate what specifically he should have done differently. Other than waving a magic wand to make Putin come to his senses.
    Meanwhile, you completely ignore the success he's had in orchestrating the only option available other than the war you seem to want.........the most extensive economic sanctions on Russia in history.
     
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    LOL... no really. You just got tagged lie projecting on others and this is your defense... But... Sorry, it's a bad time to be a democrat. It must be. Watching your "savior" Biden f'ing everything up every day. Watching him push the world to war. Financing that war, and lying about it.

    Epic failure. And even with all of that, you're still here shilling for him every day. Don't you ever feel betrayed because this one, dang, he's the epitome of stupid, feckless, and as immoral as we have seen in US public office since likely Wilson.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How so? Does Putin get a pass from you?
     
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    Nah, you just can't get out of it that easily. No one, least of all me, s giving Putin a pass. WE are, however, talking about how stupid Joe is, and that this bumbling is pushing the world towards war. And I get it. You can't defend the guy, so all you do is attack others. Lashing out is all you have left.
     
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    Why are you having such a time time explaining how Biden is responsible for all the things you accuse him of? We know you believe "this bumbling is pushing the world towards war" but you can't explain how.

    Meanwhile, you completely ignore the success he's had in orchestrating the only option available other than the war you seem to want.........the most extensive economic sanctions on Russia in history.
     
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    I think the world has woken up to understand that Putin is another Adolf Hitler and that he needs to be stopped. Whether Biden deserves credit for that or not, I don't know. Personally, I think it is Putin himself who has rallied the world against him.
     
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    He told us, famously, that sanctions would stop the invasion. Nope. He said harsher sanctions would stop the invasion. nope. he said that he'd provide support to the US citizens on energy prices, he hasn't, only made them worse. Of course we can explain how he pushed this war. he invited Putin. He said, "well, if it's just a small incursion", as if that's ok. Or did you forget that part? You keep saying these things never happened. And yet they did, and you're still here shilling for the guy. Why is that? This can't pay you that much...

    And frankly, let's talk about "success". Folks are dying, no? Is that success to you? I don't want the war, but folks like you sure seem to want to cheerlead it, because as you say, these are "successes". Do you find that at all immoral?
     
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    A Fed's loose money policies have resulted in complete morons being fabulously rich but didn't make them any smarter, just empowered.
     
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    Coming from somebody who thinks that Trump is good at... anything... that should be taken as an endorsement.
     
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    I don't disagree. But Putin has been rallying the world against him for years and the world hasn't responded until now. I do believe that Biden has done the best job of any past President communicating to the world how much Putin has been rallying the world against him.
     
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    I just don't believe we would be where we are today if Democrats weren't so weak on foreign policy and handed the Taliban the keys to Afghanistan.
     
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    Are there troops in the Ukraine today? I rest my case.
     
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    Google isn't your friend.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...upplies-if-russia-invades-ukraine-2022-01-25/
    President threatens sanctions over invasion. Why else would you threaten sanctions? if not to stop the invasion? Fun? Biden is an epic fail. Here you are still clapping. And now, given that his sanctions haven't been effective in stopping the invasion, you're what? Trying to rewrite history so Biden doesn't look like the complete failure that he actually is? Laughable.

    Oh, and when did NBC not shelter Biden? It's what they do. They lie. Day in day out. Find better news reporting.
     
  20. Lee Atwater

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    The truth isn't your's. Cut and paste the excerpt from your article where Biden says.......He told us, famously, that sanctions would stop the invasion.
     
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    So which way do you want it? Did Biden's actions start the war when he agreed as small incursion was ok? Did Biden start the war because he threatened Putin with Sanctions? Did Biden not stop the war because he's stupid and thought his threat of sanctions was sufficient to keep Putin from invading, or is Biden in cahoots with Putin, knew that he was funding his war effort and chose, by policy to ensure the rise of the price of oil to supply his buddy Putin with the necessary cash to invade in the first place?

    There isn't a single place in the evidence where Biden did anything substantive to keep Putin out of Ukraine. In fact, it looks like Joe colluded with Putin, in much the way democrats accursed Trump of. And now, given that Putin invaded, doesn't that make their (joe and vladimir) relationship somewhat more dangerous to the United States? You actively went after Trump for the "hint" of this kind of collusion. And yet, here, we all see it in real time, on the nightly news.

    And the end result is Biden doesn't have a clue how to now answer to the American people why his administration so epically failed them, looks like we're going to get dragged into WWIII and all he has to say is when can I flee to the basement in Delaware again..

    Tell us again, what is Biden's goal here?
     
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    As you know, we've been through that. Not that it surprises me you repeat the same falsehood I debunked last week.

    You said... He (Biden) told us, famously, that sanctions would stop the invasion. He did not. Now you've repeated another falsehood.

    The US and other western nations used sanctions as a deterrent for the invasion and now as punishment for the invasion. That and supplying Ukraine with lethal and non-lethal aid are the options open to them short of going to war with Russia. A reality you are having a hard time acknowledging because you so desperately want to blame Biden when it's Putin who is responsible for the invasion.
     
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    Folks are dying because Joe was either Stupid or complicit. Which do you want us to believe?
     
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    You have yet to prove either assertion. Here's my post that debunks your falsehood about what Biden said regarding a minor incursion.

    That was the initial comment.

    President Biden and his White House on Thursday tried to clean up comments he made about Russia during a lengthy news conference the previous day.

    On Wednesday, Biden had predicted Russia would invade Ukraine, but suggested there was a split among NATO members about how to respond if Moscow took action that stopped short of sending its troops across the border — something Biden referred to as a "minor incursion." He said:

    "I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."


    I'll accept your apology any time you're ready.
     
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    Folks are dying because Putin decided to invade Ukraine. Blaming Biden for it is ludicrous, and un-American.
     

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