Biden's time to shine

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Regardless of what the final military outcome might be, politically the Ukraine crisis has been a big win for Biden on the international stage. This administration has managed to rally... basically everybody (that counts) behind Ukraine.

    Of course, President Zelensky's and the Ukranian people's acts of courage cannot be understated. But the U.S. has been leading a coalition of nations, private businesses and organizations in support of their efforts. Organizations like NATO, the UN, EU, ... which Trump sought to undermine, have come back strong and are united against Putin's aggression.

    Does anybody actually believe that Trump would have accomplished anything even remotely close to this even if he wanted to? Of course, assuming he would want to is a stretch. He has shown that he is more willing to support dictators then democracies. So this is just a hypothetical.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Well, I suppose that's one way to look at it. Probably not accurate in any real way, and more the opposite is in fact being noticed. Biden's utter failure as a leader is what likely sent the green light to Putin in the first place. And it isn't the US leading here, so far it's been the EU.

    Worse, what Biden has effectively done is seemingly to reunite the Russians and the Chinese who seem perfectly happy to fund Putins expedition into the Ukraine. Worse, Biden seems to have committed the ultimate stupidity in forcing a world realignment to dollar hegemony.

    No, the US isn't "leading" anything. Biden fumbles, and others have to pick up the ball the try to stem what possibly devolves into WWIII.

    At this point, we just have to ignore the constant bleeting of the left who still beat the Trump narrative as if that somehow still plays in the modern environment. Trump ISN"T the president. These actions happened AFTER Biden took the seat. NOONE believes that this is anyone else's fault than Biden's. NOONE.
     
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    Unfortunatly our Presidents are not voted in with international voters! It will be the us grunts in the trench's paying $7 dollars a gallon for fuel, $100's more a month for home heating and food and all item delivered by truck, train and plane.. But hey if you're happy with ByDumb financing Pootins war with 168 thousand $110 barrels of oil then I guess ByDumb is #1 in your world and those international folks you align with!

    Although, I fail to see the Ukrainians applauding the great ByDumb while having their lungs turned inside out from Pootins new line of attack on them..

    *Click Ignore*
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Imagining Trump as the leader of the free world in anything other than name only is absolutely unimaginable. It would have disrupted his golf game and rally schedule.
     
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    Ah the leftist fun fact "Imaginary take"! Dreams and hypotheticals, the things that make up the DNC greatest friend and enemy :)
     
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    I wonder why the MSM have failed to expose the Biden Administrations enablement of this war. Biden hasn't turned off the financial aid yet, and is still buying Russian oil, and still supporting the Russian war in the Ukraine. Biden has certainly done the "showman" BS, but he hasn't effectively shut down, or for that matter "lead" any other nations to turn off the flow of Russian oil to their nations. And, until that happens, the nations who still buy Russian oil are very literally financing the war against the Ukrainians.

    The US doesn't need Russian oil, we can find it elsewhere in the market. What is Biden's reluctance to actually stopping his active financing of the war he says that he's against?
     
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    Which simply ignores the fact that Biden is the President, and has actively supported Putin by financing his war. When will Biden stop the financial aid to Russia?
     
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    isn’t it great how 9/11 was Bush’s fault because he was President for 9 months, but nothing is Biden’s fault because the President before him. Must be nice to live in their world.
     
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    Well, that would send the wrong message to the International stage! Weird I haven't seen one highlight of ByDumbs financial support of Pootins murder campaign in Ukraine, you would think the International community and the DNC would be pleased to stand up and take a bow ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Russian oil, moving Ukrainian car, boats, planes houses and sometimes people..
    Yes Pootin did that and ByDumb helped him finance it ;)
    [​IMG]
     
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    Sad to say...Pootin will keep at it till he wins his objective, whatever that is... I am surprised the ineffectiveness of his advance though. He put up 150,000 troops to invade an army with ....Active personnel 255,000 ..Reserve personnel 900,000... It is definitely not my forte, but I did stay at a Holiday express, and it just does seem like that was a good move. He may not have anticipated the FGM-148 Javelin... cause they sure are taking his tanks out left and right..
     
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    The democratic folks believe in their right to just lie to you and expect that you won't question them. It's like they have simply adopted the "because mommy said so" narrative of governance. The challenge is to expose just how pejorative that approach is, and to continue to remind them, that at least in this case, it wasn't until Joe started enacting policy that started pushing energy prices higher that Putin had enough extra cash lying around to get back to the little war he started the last time Joe was in office. (You remember, when OBAMA was president and allowed Russia to conquer the Crimea and set up his little war lord states in eastern Ukraine).

    To put a pretty fine point on it, Joe did cause this war, it just hibernated until he could bring it back to a boil for Putin, and he has.
     
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    I'm sure that's what some mediocre pro-Trump political advisor told him that. And Putin believed it because he wanted it to be true. He certainly got a rude awakening!


    Nope! Germany (generally considered the leader of the EU) was a late comer to the pro-Ukranian movement in matters that actually "hurt" them. Definitely not leading.

    If the Chinese want to join Putin in his downfall in the international stage, they are more than welcome.

    Bringing down two dictatorships for the price of one.... not a bad political outcome for Biden.

    China would have LOVED for Putin to succeed without losing too much reputation internationally. It would have given them wings to proceed in the same way with Taiwan. Now they know better.
     
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    All the Jav's are doing is escalating the types of attacks Pootin in MORE THAN willing to use..
     
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    FALSE, Europe rallied together because they knew how weak Biden is and nothing was going to happen unless they stepped in
    Biden refuses to provide lethal weapons to Ukraine
    He has sanctioned all of two banks
    And his Afghanistan disaster told the world everything they needed to know about his weakness and incompetence.

    What message did Putin get when Biden REMOVED the sanctions on Russia's pipeline?
    What message did Putin get when Biden refused to provide any lethal weapons to Ukraine?

    Who is it that loves Putin so much?

    You mean like actually killing hundreds of Russian's in Syria, putting the sanctions on Russia's pipeline and telling Russia if they invade Ukraine he would bomb Moscow.
    You mean like that?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I know Trump supporters don't consider "ability for leadership" an asset, given that their "idol" has none. But I think there are many American voters who do.

    As for your "predictions".... I can't forget the ones you have made before regarding Covid, Trump, immigration, ... this administration. So I'm sure you'll understand if I don't take them seriously.... nothing personal, you know...
     
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    The bold is very true. I think the Ukrainian people have gotten quite a bit of recognition and well deserved. It’s unfortunate that the world isn’t doing enough and watching them die. Russia hasn’t used anything remotely close to their full capability. They will likely kill the Ukrainian president at some point.

    The international community has done great with sanctions. But all it really amounts to is a bully beating on a cripple while we steal the bullies wallet in his locker hoping to distract him. So yes I think Trump would have done better.

    I know you all hate Trump and I do too but I fully think he would have done more. And as for convincing people of more he definitely would have. Oil production would be increased to offset the Russian market loss as well. He is not dumb enough economically and on security to choke our oil supply during threats of Russian aggression. That title is only Biden’s and Harris’s.

    Trump also would have sanctioned Russian oil far more.
     
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    Yea... Pootin will keep throwing bodies at it and tanks.. supposedly Molotov cocktail ain't working to good against the tanks.. I wish the Ukrainians well.. It may well be a long and bloody fight... but I don't see them to winning in the end... but we could be surprised... one example is the Vietnam war... they adapted and they are still there after giving us a bloody nose.. But it is just my two cents worth..
     
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    I've argued against all comers that the Biden administration has handled the Ukraine invasion competently including the lead up.

    That's a far cry from superlatives, but given it's been so long since we've seen competence it may seem remarkable, but it isn't, and it shouldn't be.
     
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    Sad but true, but still better than bowing to Putin. Total respect to all Ukrainians that are willing to fight and even die rather than become servants to Russia.
     
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    For having no leadership capabilities he has quite the following. In fact it’s almost cult like. He got people to turn their backs on morals they hold dear without even realizing it.
     
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    Sometimes, there is nothing left to say except, I hope this post stays up for posterity to be an abject demonstration of how feckless the left are these days. Their inability to recognize their own warts, to invariably need to blame shift to others and otherwise NEVER take responsibility for their own BS. The fantasy that drives this world view is, what I believe to be the most corrosive to our nation today. To not understand that this set of circumstances has it's roots in the appeasement of the OBAMA response to the taking of the Crimea, and then the active instantiation of the warlords in Easter Ukraine is simply to ignore the historic record and the facts.

    Obama infamously told his Russian counterpart that once the election 2012 was over he'd have more "flexibility" and two years later, after Obama allowed wold strife to push the price of oil back up over $100 BBL, that Putin felt flush enough to invade the Ukraine. Was that Obama, and BTW Biden as VP being more flexible then? The record sure indicates that it was. And then the price of oil dropped, and Putin had to wait.

    And he did, until Biden successfully pushed the price of Oil back towards $100 bbl And surprise, Russia reignites the war they started with what appears to be the tacit support of the US Democratic elite and of course Biden. You seem to believe that Biden isn't actively working to give more power to both Putin and Xi. I'd say that's pretty actively ignoring the facts.
     
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    Sadly, Don squandered his chance to lead the free world, opting to pursue other things instead.

    Trump just blocked his own administration’s Russia sanctions
    Once again, the president is taking steps to make sure he doesn’t anger Putin.
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/16/17242484/nikki-haley-trump-russia-sanctions-syria
     
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    And yet, they didn't. Germany needed some convincing. And they're supposed to be the leaders of the EU. Also Italy and Hungary were late arrivals to the sanctions arena.

    So it's obvious you are talking B.S. to try to undermine a very successful endeavor by the United States of America.

    Looks like Trump fans are not happy that we again became the leaders of the free world. But patriotic Americans are.
     
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    I suppose then i don't understand what you think is competent about creating the circumstances and financial backing to finance this war is supposed to invoke in other folks? Biden did, and has actively worked to push the price of energy up, and the consequence of that is Putin has sufficient cash reserves to start a war. What is competent about that? Is that what you wanted to happen? I mean if it is, it does then make your comment understandable.

    As a consequence of how Biden has handled this, lots of folks are dying. do you call that competent? Or do you simply believe that getting folks killed isn't a matter for public discussion? And the comment about "it's been so long", literally, it's been 8 year since Obama allowed the annexation of the Crimea and the establishment of the two Russian warlords. IS that your idea of competent that Biden created the environment that Putin could continue his war? Really?

    At least be honest then with the forum. If you believe that these atrocities enabled by Biden and committed by Putin are "competent leadership" at least admit it.
     
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    Yet all evidence to the contrary

    lets compare

    What has Trump done?
    Killed hundreds of Russians in Syria,
    Instituted 52 sanctions on Russia,
    Ousted 60 Russian Oligarchs,
    Sanctioned Russia's NS2 pipeline to shut it down,
    Provided lethal arms to Ukraine,
    Told Russia if they invade Ukraine he would bomb Moscow.

    What has Putin's bitch Biden done?
    Lifted the sanctions on Russia's NS2 giving them the opportunity to stranglehold all of Europe
    Refuses to give lethal arms to Ukraine
    Only sanctioned two Russian banks
    Told Putin he won't interfere with his invasion with US troops

    Sorry, you don't get to give Biden credit for other countries efforts.
     
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