‘I am seeking justice’: Tulsa massacre survivor, 107, testifies to US Congress

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  1. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Wallace wasn't yet 2 years old when this happened. If you're going to clutter up the thread with bullshit, I'm gonna call you on it. Don't like it? Say something relevant. I'm asking for a lot, I know.

    The woman who is the subject of the OP was 7. She's still alive. She's relevant.
     
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    It's obvious to my cat. The dog is a little confused, but the cat is enjoying that as well.
     
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    Because we grew up with the Democrats in power and their fights against civil rights and voting rights. And kept them out after they decided that now they could buy the votes of those they previously oppressed and a lot of the whites too by convincing them that it was best to let government provide for them and engage in class warfare after they lost the race warfare.
     
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    Was he part of the black mob that took up arms first and attacked the whites?
     
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    Like the white guy they had recently lynched.
     
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    We do hear about the race riot that took place
    We hear about the race riot constantly for years believe me....everyday we hear about the race riot.

    Viola was 7 years old at the time.... its good to get her testimony....but seven years old is pretty young to develop the drive for "justice"
     
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    I haven't heard about it every day. And she was 7 when it happened. She didn't develop a drive for justice at that age. Don't be silly. Watch the video. She explained herself well. I'd love to have a beer with the woman. Imagine the stories she can tell. 107 years worth. She went through the depression as a young adult. Just think about that for a minute. It's fascinating.
     
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    You’re welcome to look up my post history on Rittenhouse. And you have a right to shoot me if I try to take your gun. What you and all your buddies do not have the right to do is spray indiscriminately into the crowd. And if you do then don’t come crying about the consequences after.
     
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    Well you don't live in Oklahoma. It's been a daily part of our news for years. 107 is huge and I want to know her secret. But 7 year olds tend to move on and remember little. The demise of Black Wall street didn't happen w I th race riots. Black wall street was rebuilt....and thrived once again. It was the desegregation that destroyed black businesses. Not much reporting done on that.

    Tulsa was very segregated back in the day. Blacks had many obstacles. There is a very strong story to tell just in what black businesses had to do to keep inventory in and stores open. ...I wish we would go beyond the riot...
     
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    Yes, it would be familiar to you. It's not well publicized nationally, though.

    How did desegregation destroy black owned businesses?

    Sudden violence causes PTSD, and she says she still has flashbacks. It's probably magnified because she was so young.
     
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    Not to mention how the southern accent wasn't included in this relocation either.

    But hey, why believe history books when you can get the truth from blogs and prageru videos?
     
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    The black community was heavily segregated and self contained. After the riot in 1921 Greenwood was rebuilt and thriving even in the 40s and early 50s.

    But desegregation of schools and highways in late 50s, 60s and 70s offered easy access to other parts of the city that grew to welcome black customers and this bled black clientele from Greenwood. Prior to 1955 Tulsa was VERY segregated. Blacks didn't buy from white owned shops and viscera. When that changed, businesses changed and some struggled.

    I moved to this area from Kansas years ago. And I hear many stories that you don't hear on the news. Like the black owned business that couldn't get a delivery of product because she was black. And she worked out an arrangement with a white owned business to have them accept delivery for her. There is many fascinating stories not being told. My pastor told the story of when he was a boy his father who was a judge in a small Oklahoma town held court over a black man, a greyhound bus driver, caught for speeding but ALSO for being black and out in town after sundown. The driver was fired and my pastors father followed the law, fined the man for being black after sundown. The judge then paid for his fine and gave the family enough money to live on until he could find another job.

    There are many good stories to tell but people who know them are passing away. We miss the real story by obsessing over one.
     
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    How to absolve yourself of ending racial violence 101, blame it on something that doesn't even matter anymore. The Democrats are the party of Obama. Can you say the same of the party of Trump?
     
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    . . . Wallace split from the Dems
     
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    Accused. Key word: accused. They were within their rights to bear arms to stop the unlawful act that you are defending. The additional racist murder spree was, likewise, unjustified. I should not have to explain this to an adult. But here we are.
     
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    By the way, @ShadowX , not that you care, but he wasn't a rapist. And the "victim" never pressed charges. But don't let a silly thing like facts interrupt the narrative you are going for.
     
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    There was no unlawful act by those people showing up at the jail. They had every right to be there.

    Moreover Dick Rowland claims he accidentally tripped and grabbed the 15 year old girl. The problem with his story is that he was in a building which was closed:

    “Tulsa's firestorm began with a simple elevator ride. Dick Rowland, 16, shared an elevator at the Drexel Building with a 15-year-old white girl, Sarah Page. When the elevator reached the ground floor, Page screamed for help. Rowland fled but was arrested the next morning. Page claimed he'd grabbed her arm. He said he'd accidentally stepped on her foot. But even those competing allegations seemed fishy to some; why would anyone be in that building on a national holiday?”

    Furthermore she declined to prosecute is not the same as saying he’s innocent. But nevertheless, the action kicked off when the black WWI vets sprayed lead indiscriminately on civilians killing 10.

    Oh and by the way the reason the church in town was burned down is because the black guys put SNIPERS in there. Yeah I feel super bad for those guys.
     
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    Just putting forward some of the more obvious racist Democrats in our history since so many want to argue that the Democrats are not the racists. I can name dozens more if you wish. You can call BS all you want, but the BS isn't coming from me.

    I never said anything about the woman of the OP except it is a shame that she had to experience that.

    And stop insulting me!
     
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    I don't see that in his history. If it happened, it was probably about the time he finally renounced his racists ideology in the 1980s.
     
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    One must be impressed that a person of that age can testify. However, big difference between civil rights in 1921 and the current time.
     
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    It was a travesty, but what can she do about 'justice' for a crime nearly a century old? The real question is why is this being taken up by the US Congress? If the Democrats spent as much time working with the Republicans as they did with virtue signaling, then the country could be healed more quickly.

    We the people deserve better than this, we really truly do.
     
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    Agreed. Huge difference, and she's seen it all. And at 107, she's just as sharp as my 82 year old mother. Lol. You're in your 80s too, aren't you?
     
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    It's being taken up because the incident was basically wiped from history until only a couple decades ago. The recognition of what happened brings her justice.
     
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    Should the families of those white people they gunned down to start the whole thing seek justice too? Or just the black people are allowed to do that?

    Or should we all just put on our big boy and girl underwear and move on?
     
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    The same could probably be said for every event in that timespan. I acknowledge that America's had a violent past(who doesn't), but when Obama once rightly said "it belonged in a museum", he didn't mean that Congress itself should literally transform into a museum lol.

    It's supposed to be a legislative body, and whether it's the 3rd commission on the 6th, or whether it's this(or Liz's tantrum), things are clearly misplaced. Post-Trump, I got my Washington back. A Washington that cares so little about you and I, and the American People.
     
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