45 Teachers Quit Jobs, Student Violence

did you listen to the jurors speak after the trial, that is not what they said

 

And their verdict, they sustained the victim's self-defense against the attacking thug.

 

when I was a child, a white student knocked out a white art teacher.... bad kids come in all shapes, sizes and colors... violent kids need to be removed from public schools

 

Martin was de facto guilty of attempted murder or at the very least, a felonious assault.
That is not how the law works, that is how your mind works.

 

I don't blame them. Didn't have this issue back when students could actually be disciplined.

A very easy solution is to simply tie benefits to school attendance. If your child doesn't attend school and behave then you lose your benefits, both parents even if the father is absent. If sugar daddy's welfare check is dependent on all his kids staying in school and behaving it give him an incentive to A)not have so many kids and B)actually pay some attention to them. Clearly we can't rely on these shitty parents to act out of love for their kids so threaten them with starvation and homelessness.

 

Sure. It happens.

It does not happen like in my examples, where even the police run scared in these schools.

There is no comparison in the scope of the violence.

 

they did not believe their was enough evidence to show Zimmerman was not reacting in fear for his life (only the killer got to tell his side of the story, the victim was dead)

just like a cop that shoots a child with a toy gun that gets off

the child in both instances would always be a victim.. regardless of what was in the mind of the killer

I do think they overcharged Z, had they went with a manslaughter charge, they woudl of won imo

 

On the contrary.

"Kids" aged 14-17 are among the highest groups when it comes to violent crime.

 

if you live in a gang area, white or black gang members are scary

end the war on drugs.. stop funding gangs

 

nice straw man.... what does that have to do with z killing an unarmed back teen, are you saying he used that chart to determine if he should kill him or not?

 

Except for the de facto felonious assault or de facto attempted murder, you’d have a point.

In your scenario, I’m sure the cop feels awful. Zimmerman doesn’t as hee defended himself and seeminglynis willing to do so again.

He’s not exactly a exemplary example of a human being, but even turds have the right to defend themselves.

 

He shot a violent person who attacked him.

When faced with death or serious bodily injury, or fear of such, lethal force is completely legal.

Was Zimmerman a moron himself? Yep. Should he have done what he did by following him? Nope.

Could Martin have gotten away without confronting Zimmerman? Yep. Did he choose to attack Zimmerman? Yep.

It was bad decisions on both sides that got Martin killed, and it was tragic, but was it legal self defense? Yes.

Oh, and statistics on violence by "kids" 14-17 is not a strawman, it is factual data.

 

The violence in the schools is not gang related, although most of those teenagers are probably gangs.

They have zero respect for the law or human life, and it shows.

This doesn't happen at this level in any white or asian neighborhood, no matter how poor.

 

actually it does, any poor neighborhood with gang activity

we agree it's an issue, needs address, these kids need to be removed from schools, zero tolerance when a threat to teachers or students

that said, I think ending the war on drugs so as not to fund these gangs is a good start, these kids see gang life as their ticket to success

as long as there is a war on drugs funding gangs, gang life is seen a viable option sadly for poor young people

 

Give me your best example of a violent white majority school where gang members are getting into fights with police, teachers, and gang members in other schools.

Find the poorest place you can.

 

that was never proven that martin did not act in self defense that nigth, the killer said he attacked him, maybe cause Zimmerman pulled a gun on him, it was never proven either way, the killer silenced the only one that could give the other side of the story

we have heard many stories about Zimmerman sense the trial too.... not good

so saying Martin is not a victim is just wrong

I do agree both made bad choices that night, Martin and Zimmerman

if a black man stalks you at night and pulls a gun on you for no reason... how might you react... the same way Martin did? maybe, maybe not.... depends if your the stand my ground type or not like Martin was

remember Martin walked away at first and the guy kept following, woudl freak me out... Martin though Z was a bad guy following him....

seems Z thought Martin was a bad guy and he was gonna be the hero and catch a bad guy and martin though Z was stalking him for no reason and maybe saw the gun and fought for his life - both reacted to their own versions of reality in their own minds

people can react to a situation differently then the reality of the situation, just like the cop shooting the kid with a toy gun, the kid was no threat, but the officer believed he was, the officer was wrong, the kid was not a real threat - but was a valid threat in the officers mind

 

Are you saying that Zimmerman chased Martin down and he couldn't have gotten away?

The proof came from physical injuries sustained by both parties, or lack of physical injuries to Martin other than the gunshot.

 

Two thugs squared off and Zimmerman won. That's exactly what happened.

Your last example is also stretching reality.

I'm assuming you're talking about Rice in that example, if not, I apologize.

Rice was not a kid playing with a toy gun who got shot by a cop who erroneously detected a threat. Rice was shot because the intentionally removed the orange plug, and then went around a park shoving a gun in people's faces because he wanted to play thug.

 

interesting case

"Mother charged after putting recording device in daughter's backpack to catch 'bullying'"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mother-charged-putting-recording-device-113042097.html

parents trying to catch bullies, gets arrested herself

but I wonder, if your cell phone is always listening for "hey google"... is it not just as much a recording device

 

it was a toy gun, just because one "believes" it is real does not make it real.... it is a valid threat in people minds only, that is why the cop got off, but the child was still a victim - I agree the cop should not of been found guilty of murder as the treat was real in his mind

 

Yes it was obviously a toy gun.

If someone pulled one of these on me I'd do the same thing that officer did.

Rice was a victim, but only of his own behavior and decisions.

 

The Martin reference was perfect as it was an example of schools and the police not wanting to arrest a school kid for crimes because of how it impacts his future (but the real reason is because it makes the crime/race numbers look better) Martin was also the perfect reference because the left made him a household name everyone on this board and across the country is familiar with him, the left just didn't think the story about his crimes being ignored by the school would ever surface, but it did.

And I didn't play the race card, that card was dealt in a response to my post about Martin saying that I liked seeing him dead.

 

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your not reading what I am saying, it's a toy gun it can't kill you, you know that right, you can believe it's a threat if the conditions are right, but in reality it is not a treat as it's just a toy - only in your mind can it hurt you, cause it's a toy

that is why what is in a persons mind matters in self defense, cause if you knew at the time it was a toy it would be murder, but if a cop believes it real in his mind it's not murder - doesn't mean the child killed was not a victim, just means that cop did not know all the facts and went with what he knew at the time

Martin did not know the guy following him in a truck was then on foot was not meaning to do him harm, Zimmerman thought Martin was a bad guy stalking him... both thought in their minds wrong, and that wrong thinking ended badly