4Chan Claims To Have Fabricated Anti-Trump Report As A Hoax

I never tire at the logics on the left.

 

I honestly don't know, I've been to busy to follow up on it today and haven't seen it in the headlines.

 

If it was posted on /b, the part that is called "random" then I believe ANYTHING can come from there, the material there is only on the site for a while and is then deleted to make room for more stuff.

The thing is that almost ANYTHING is supposedly allowed on /b, save photographic kiddie porn and even there that rule is skirted quite often. There is a big disclaimer at the top saying that "only a fool would take anything here as fact"

And I don't believe it is archived, so anyone can say a story came from there and there is no way to prove it (unless, of course, someone else archived it and even there you'd have to determine the dates weren't faked)

 

Fair enough. If you look into it I think you'll find that the claim that it was just a 4chan hoax doesn't add up. There's quite a bit out there on it and it is all very accessible.

 

Kinda like the memos.

 

The author of the report isn't anonymous. He's a former MI6 agent. Senator McCain received the report from him and then gave it to the FBI.

 

And he has allegedly gone to ground. Nothing in the memos has been verified.

 

Right. We don't know whether the allegations are true or not. However, we do know that the information didn't come from the anonymous 4chan poster.

 

No Tom we really don't. We don't know the genesis of any aspect of the memos. We don't know if the missive was created whole cloth from the ether or from embellished casual conversations with "Russians" or included verbatim from foreign intelligence services.

We do know that upon test it fails and that it is a fabrication. We just dont know who the creative writer(s) are.

Cheers

 

We know that the claim made on 4chan falls apart because the report was in the hands of the FBI long before the anonymous poster claims to have told some unidentified story to Wilson, who didn't have anything to do with the report.

And, of course, we don't know that the report is a fabrication at all. You just really, really want it to be...which falls way short of proof.

 

Granted on 4chan and the timing, it seems suspect. However, we don't know how the dossier evolved. Was the "original" the finished product we see today? We don't know how it changed over the past year, if it did, or when various components were added.

Multiple articles report that Mr. Steele continued to add to the dossier and billing for the additional work.

As to its veracity, it's not holding up to scrutiny, each "memo" has huge holes created where its been shown that the events, timing and principles were not in the correct places or even alive at the reported time.

Cheers

 

But allegations made, especially scurrilous ones, and given credibility by long time foe John McCain, should have some sort of basis in fact. Right?

Where are those facts? I don't see a one!

 

The bottom line is that we don't know whether the allegations in the report are true or not. At this point, anyone in the general public definitely claiming that they either are or aren't true is lying.

 

Well for many Trump haters 'the facts don't matter, it is the seriousness of the allegations' that count.

 

For a fact? Nope I don't know. However we know there are large errors, Mr Cohen has never been to the countries suggested in the dossier. It is asserted in three of the memos that Mr Cohen was in places he never was nor could have been. That's problematic.

The other issue I have is with the "golden shower" reports. The memo states emphatically that it was a state operation conducted by the FSB. It gets no higher in Russia. This operation would be a closely held secret and three (3) separate individuals involved, one a FSB director, one the hotel security (were it an FSB op this person would be an FSB agent, and one the head of housekeeping. There is no way these casual conversations would occur with an Mi6 agent. Really? It would be like signing one's own death warrant.

Cheers

 

Thank you for conceding that you, in fact, don't know.

 

Actually no the people involved with the alleged acts know.


ooops...

 

Nore do you. Were just slobs on the bus, however I've been on this route before I know where it stops.

Cheers

 

This misses the point again, intentionally, I guess.
An allegation should have some basis in fact or it should never be made at all. Just raising it gives credence to something that doesn't have any fact behind it, or it would be shown.

The idea is to smear and taint whoever is hit by this sh*t bomb! It's more than apparent. It's axiomatic.

 

I never once claimed to know whether the allegations were true or not...unlike you, who has made definitive claims that were later retracted, and who fell for the 4chan hoax less than 48 hours ago (which you also retracted).

Personally, I sincerely hope that the allegations aren't true because if they are that would mean that we have elected a traitor as the President of the United States with very little chance of rectifying the situation. In that same vein, I think the person who produced the report is credible enough and the allegations serious enough that the issue warrants further investigation by the intelligence community to definitively declare that they are either true or false. Contrast that with your seeming desire to sweep this under the rug and latch on to any excuse you possible can.

 

I'm sorry but this is a debate forum and over the last few days I've argued the merits of this dossier with a wide scope and open mind. I modulate my argument when new evidence is presented. I am not stuck on one outcome.

Let's talk about the memos. Let's look at each claim. Let's discuss Mr Steele. Let's discuss Orbis. Lets speak about who commissioned this work.

I'm not stuck on just one aspect (4chan) of this thing.

Now comes you to say: we don't know so we should shouldn't bother trying to understand, it's beyond us. Well OK, so just log off it's pointless anyway, right?

Why are you here tom?

Cheers

 

/b/...

 

I never said "we don't know so we should shouldn't bother trying to understand, it's beyond us." That's a strawman that you just created.

What I did point out is your propensity to make untrue statements and to believe hoaxes.

If you want to discuss opinion then let's do that. Do you think that the allegations in this report should be investigated by the intel community or do you think they should simply be dismissed out of hand as you've been doing?

 

Let's move on to new ground.

Cheers

 

The CIA is still under Obama for the next few days. They deal in campaigns of misinformation as part of their duties.