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You having trouble reading the English language? I explained myself really clearly and if you cannot understand it then seek help.

 

He's defending against a claim that, being in the military, he probably knows what he's talking about, whereas, your "sources" throw out all kind of nonsense numbers, that can't even outdo a quick check on a calculator...

 

Those are the figures from many media reports and surveys. Are you saying that Mushroom has taken the time to do a survey of the military on this subject? No you are saying because he has a job in the military that supposedly he knows everything about it which is BS on a large scale.

 

I posted figures from an agency that specializes in cases of rape involving military members, and the numbers came out to like .008%...

Just look at some of your figures...

Like 2600 in '06?

None of that supports the 20% claim by one of your sources, the 1 in 4 claim by another of your sources, so, what gives?

Not to mention, anyone in the military could tell that when some (*)(*)(*)(*) like that gets reported, and it can be substantiatied, people get nailed to the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing wall...

 

In 2003, a survey of female veterans found that 30 percent said they were raped in the military. A 2004 study of veterans who were seeking help for post-traumatic stress disorder found that 71 percent of the women said they were sexually assaulted or raped while serving. And a 1995 study of female veterans of the Gulf and earlier wars, found that 90 percent had been sexually harassed.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103844570

 

And 90%, or even 71%, doesn't sound the least bit exaggerated to you?

 

Sounds exaggerated to you because you are trying and failing to defend it.

The Defense Department shows much lower numbers, but that is because it only counts reported rapes—and, as the DoD admits itself in this year's annual Pentagon report on military sexual assault, some 90 percent of rapes in the military are never reported at all.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103844570

 

Lawmaker prods military rape legislation...

U.S. military must change how it deals with rape, lawmaker says
March 7, 2012, U.S. Rep. Jackie Speier on Wednesday castigated the U.S. military for its policies in dealing with rape and sexual assault and repeated her call for legislation to fix a system she said was broken.

 

I looked over the first two pages and didn't see this topic. This piece was just released this month making it a current news item. The fact that there were 10 rapes when you were downrange only concludes rapes are not a rare event in the military.

 

Actually I'm not here to make the military look bad, it's the only life I know. However every institution/organization has it's on set of problems that need to be adressed. I wouldn't ignore skeletons in my own family closet as to avoid making a family member look bad, I would confront and deal with said skeleton.

I also know of Soldiers who have been raped, and I have civilian friends who have been raped, it's a problem everywhere.

 

I have told you before, and I will again.

I will defend accuracy, reguardless of which side it is on. I once again invite you to read through some of the threads in here I have participated in. You will find me strongly in favor of nuclear disarmament, arguing that Palestinians do have a rightfull claim on the land they possess, that the slaughter in Darfur must be stopped, and many other such "liberal agendas".

Rape is wrong, inside or outside of the military. And I think that I have a bit more understanding of this particular topic then you do, since I have served for 15 years.

The problem that you and so many others are making is that you see "sexual assault", and automatically assume they are talking about rape. That is not the case. Personally, I think everybody that commits a legitimate sexual assault should be slowly boiled alive after having their important parts cut off with a dull rusty butter knife. And I think you would find that the majority of people in the military share that belief.

But assuming that every reported assault is a rape horribly skews the reality. And that is a crime against the truth.

And because you do not accept the facts I may give in another thread, that does not mean that they are not facts. You simply do not accept them, live with it. I think that you will find a lot more people accept the neutral and non-biased information I present then there are people like you and a few others that automatically reject them out of hand.

But I have provided a link already that gives the exact definition of what constitutes "Sexual Assault" to the military. And it is not defined only by rape.

 

Everybody knows that the numbers reported to the VA are exagerated, even the VA.

Here is a quick lesson on how reporting claims with the VA works. You can make a claim to the VA even decades later, and claim that you were raped. Now there need be no proof, no evidence whatsoever. You make a claim, and then you automatically go into the system as being a victim of sexual assault.

And you also automatically become eligable for VA care, VA disability money, and many other perks from the VA. This is well known, and a lot of people take advantage of it. Much like those that served in Vietnam in almost any capacity when they came down with Cancer filed for coverage as a victim of Agent Orange. Or almost anybody that develops sleep apnea files as being military caused.

And remember, a lot of those statistics you throw around are not actually saying "rape", they are saying "sexual assault". And I have already given you the definition of that.

And also notice, they are saying they were raped while in the military. Not that they were raped by somebody in the military. I would love to see a true scientific study into that.

But guess what, there are none.

 

It is not?

That is over a period of a year. 10 rapes, on a base that houses around 15,000 people. That is such a small fraction of 1% I am not even going to bother to calculate it.

If it is a figure under 1%, I would consider it pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ed rare, I am not sure what your definition of "rare" is however.

 

This butt pirate made his agenda fairly clear.

 

This is the most recent (*)(*)(*)(*) fest. Took me all of ten seconds to find it. Try harder next time.

 

Well whoopty doo and good for you.

 

The people that claim rape is prevalent in the military are trolls without any (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clue.

 

It's for your own benefit "kid." When bring up an article that already has an entire thread devoted to it you look silly.

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*), the military is full of poor redneck zombies that are enslaved by wealthy neo-cons to feed the military industrial complex.

 

Oh yes, count me as one of them.

I guess I am stupid twice. 10 years as a Marine Infantryman, 14 years as a civilian, then I somehow was fooled into joining the Army (even though it took almost 3 years of hard work to actually get back in again).

Most of those that lambast the military have absolutely no idea of what makes us want to serve. Our mindset and beliefs are so foreign to them that there is almost no way to effectively communicate with them I have discovered.

Ironically, my uber-liberal uncle Jack has been disowned by almost the entire family, but I am the only one that keeps contact with him. Go figure.

 

Resources.

http://www.sapr.mil/

http://myduty.mil/

https://www.safehelpline.org/

 

And the annual bystander awareness bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

That is very funny. You have not done a very good job of it. More like you will defend what you think is accurate and when you are proven to be wrong you leg it.

 

Do they really? Should we take your word for that? Sorry but I do not believe you going on your previous form on this forum.

 

I am old enough to be your grandfather so you do not get to call me kid,kid.