9 Horrifying Outcomes Of Donald Trump's Muslim Ban

If you aren't letting them in at all it does make it rather difficult for them to come here and kill us...

 

So Muslim terrorists are representative of Muslims, but conservative terrorists are not representative of conservatives. No, you've made your point. Try getting out and meeting some Muslims some time. No Stockholm, just common sense realism.

 

Unless the people who are willing to kill us are also willing to lie to us. Trump's plan is a joke. The only people it will keep out are honest Muslims that mean us no harm.

 

Then they should not be coming here and talking about Sharia law,correct?
Our laws.

 

There is no law against discussing Sharia Law, nor should there be. Perhaps you meant to ask about "coming here and trying to institute Sharia law." Should they be trying to institute any other version of Sharia law except the religious mediation services that they already practice here, within the confines of State and Federal laws. No, of course not. None of the Muslims I know do that. The only Sharia law they are fighting for is the Sharia law that they are already allowed to practice -- the same sort of religiously-based mediation that is available to Christians and Jews.

 

I am sure those women in Germany, Finland, Australia and other Euro block countries who met with muslim refugees who surrounded, groped, raped and robbed them on New Years eve were just THRILLED to have the opportunity to meet a few muslims.

And Germans in Cologne were just really happy to have the advice from their mayor about how women should behave in order to avoid provoking refugee muslim men. Yeah, lets just meet a few. That'll smooth things over and overcome our hostility.

 

And I'm sure some people are son inundated with stereotyping that they are going to see those men as representative of Islam and completely ignore the millions of other Muslims who are perfectly peaceful. Meanwhile, they would think it is ignorant to say something like, "I'm sure the victims of the Olympic bombings and the Unitarian church shootings were THRILLED to have the opportunity to meet a conservative." I guess it is only okay to let the extreme minority dictate your views of a population if it is involves outsiders. It's the usual ingroup thinking: "Those people are all the same; we people are all unique snowflakes." Are we going to judge all Christians by the KKK? Nope, just Muslims I guess.

The attacks in Europe have absolutely no bearing on your safety when meeting a Muslim here in the US. None. They probably don't even have any bearing on the average Muslim that you'll meet in Europe. Trying to appeal to these attacks is, to put it generously, intellectually dishonest.

 

The Unitarian Church Shooting was done by a guy angry at Democrats and liberals. It was not carried out in the name of Jesus or the Christian religion. None of the recent mass shootings were. The guy in Charleston wasn't yelling "Praise Jesus". However, many of them were carried out in the name of ISLAM, including San Bernadino, Chattanooga, and Fort Hood (Major Hassan was yelling "Allahu Akhbar").

Did you see the part where the German attacks were carried out by lots of recent refugee immigrants? The question before the panel is why would we want to admit more refugees into the US from those parts of the world? We have lots of immigrants from Muslim countries already here. (See the report of the Philadelphia cop being shot today by a domestic ISIS follower?) Kind of like asking, if I have a leak in my basement from a broken pipe, why would I want to turn the water back on before I had fixed the leak and emptied the basement of the flood.

BTW, in case you hadn't noticed the KKK today is constantly monitored by law enforcement, civil rights organizations, and community "activist" groups as well as being denounced universally by the general populace, including Christians. So, can we see some HUUUUGGGEEEE marches in the street from Muslims denouncing the radicals like happened among Christians in the Civil Rights era?

Can we see newspapers and media outlets as freely post derisive cartoons of Mohammed as they do of Christian iconology in celebration of the First Amendment without worrying about murders and firebombings by Islamists? Come see me when those things occur.

 

I didn't say anything about Jesus or Christianity (except in relation to the KKK). In relation to the shooter and bomber, I said something about their politics (although, for the bomber, it was religion too). Are you claiming that it is okay to slander an entire religion over the actions of a tiny minority, but it is not okay to do the same for political beliefs? Is killing someone over your politics less horrifying that killing someone over your religion?

There is no honest question being asked, only vicious stereotyping.

The analogy is laughable.

Again, try actually meeting some of these Muslims.

We don't have to worry about that now that the Enlightenment has defanged Christianity in the West. Try running around in Ugandan streets while defacing Christian imagery and see how long you last.

 

I mentioned the shooting and the bombings in connection with conservativism, not Christianity. I mentioned the KKK in connection with Christianity because it is a Christian organization. The KKK had nothing to do with the shooting or the bombings. They were separate considerations.

What kinds of incidents didn't happen before the arrival of the refugees?

Their culture encourages drunken rape and groping? You seem to have them confused with white American fratboys.

Think what the Unitarian shooter and the Olympic bomber did was isolated? Look at the rightwing conservative terrorist plots in Tyler, or the Trump supporter recently arrested in a bomb plot.

What question? Do I think it was isolated? Yes, it was isolated. You apparently think that "isolated" means "never ever happened before." No, "isolated" means "rare."

The same way you know which non-Muslims want to kill you or molest your wife. What you are proposing is a life of paranoid phobia.

No, that's a poor attempt at a distraction. Ugandan Christians are doing exactly what Christians have done in the West from the moment they gained political power until they were defanged by the Enlightenment and secular political influences.

If you were willing to discuss most immigrants, then maybe we could have that discussion. You insist on focusing on the extremist outliers along.

You've basically adopted the same tactic that gun grabbers have employed for decades: ignore the law-abiding majority and focus only on the violent minority.

Nothing, which is why the majority of them are hardly barbarians.

If you were able to distinguish between the violent minority (the ones we shouldn't be putting up with) and the peaceful majority, that would be an easy question to answer.

I'm sorry more women, children and seniors (the majority of the refugees being sent our way) don't take up arms. By the way, many of these people do take up arms against the terrorists. The problem is that the regime in charge isn't that great either.

Once upon a time, conservatives were individualists. I miss those days.

Another absolutely terrible analogy. Looks like we are starting a collection.

 

I see, so the teachings of both Christianity and Islam can be interpreted in such a way as to promote either violence or peace... (you'd think the words of an omniscient and omnipotent deity couldn't be misinterpreted unless he/she wanted them to be ambiguous for some reason).
Who dictates which interpretation of Christian or Islamic teachings are "true"?

Wait... Are you suggesting that it's reasonable for you to make declarative statements about Islam, but that my statements about Christianity (which are equal to yours about Islam) are an indication of "wilful ignorance"?
You understand the hypocrisy of that position, right?

 

When they go to Mosque and the mullah chants, "Death to America" over and over... well it may not be a statement of faith, but it certainly is religious!