A Chinese government spokesperson said the US committed 'evil crimes' against Native Americans....

You are deflecting with examples that are not comparable with what the American whites did do to the Native Americans, by law.

You went as far as "The schools did a lot of harm", while editing out the little information that was actually known that was done to Thorpe.

All in all. He is a marvelous example. Dragged across state lines to get his heritage cleansed out of him. Probably slaved around on them farms in Kansas. Saw his twin brother die in such a gulag. Ends up depressed and an alcoholic. Died young. You are aware that the mistreatment of Native Americans, getting their heritage beaten out of them, has a typical theme of PTSD, depression and addiction as a result? To think he got mentioned as if he was one of the supposedly men who did fine with "The schools were good things. Ask Jim Thorpe."

 

Anybody who feels there is 'injustice' to the indigenous people of America need to demonstrate
their genuine heart-felt concern by leaving America and returning to wherever they came from.
And in pondering WHERE they came from they need to consider the 'injustices' their own nation
have performed.
My family went from Ireland to Virginia ca 1640 and left 1900 for Australia.
But can I return, tail between my shameful legs, to Ireland? My ancestors came to Ireland in the
1200's - so shame on England for occupying Ireland. And my English went to England in 1066 so
shame on my Norman ancestors who should have stayed in Normandy. But those Normandy folk
were colonizers of northern France from the Scandinavian countries. But shame on those vikings
for taking land from indigenous Scandinavians - coming from the Baltics and invading the north.
And those indigenous Scans were themselves usurpers to the first modern humans after the last
ice age. But shame on those ice agers for taking land that belonged to the Neanderthals. And shame
too on those various Neanderthal groups who seized land from each other. And shame too on the
first Neanderthals who took land from Homo Heidelbergensis. And shame on the Heido's for taking
this from Homo Erectus types.

There's no end to it all. But one thing - few of these invaders put their earlier peoples on reservations
or signed treaties - they were conquered, raped, enslaved, exterminated or eaten.

 

No surprise that.

Canada has lower tariffs than we do.

What's not to like? They sell us raw materials and we sell them manufactured goods.

 

So, who's comparing,

I didn't edit your post. How could I? I'm not a forum moderator.

I don't think the schools were "good things." Where did you get that idea?

 

i don't think so.

 

Right. You support that the Native Americans should leave the US.... to "wherever they came from".
This is the dumbest white nationalist rant I ever heard.

 

No, YOU leave the USA if you are European.
The current native Americans can leave if we find that there were 'pre Clovis' people already
in the Americas when they arrived ca 12,000 ago. I firmly believe that people who can prove
their ancestors were the 'first people' should have right to the land, so long as they are full
blooded - and not half Irish.
New Zealand Maoris would fit the bill, and anyone setting in Antarctica has first rights to that
continent.

 

Poohbear wrote:
There's no end to it all. But one thing - few of these invaders put their earlier peoples on reservations
or signed treaties - they were conquered, raped, enslaved, exterminated or eaten.

I have no idea how each conqueror treated their conquered.
I do know that Egyptians didn't do well by those they conquered...it is said they were used to build the Pyramids. The Romans did the same.
Across South America the conquered were used a slaves or in the case of some tribes, as sacrifices.
Most recently the Nazis used the conquered as slaves to build railroads, roads, used as labour in all manner of ways. At best they were put into "reservations" (ghettos" or at worst, concentration camps.
and today people traffickers use the defenseless and needy as slaves they control.7

TBH I don't see much difference between the treatment of the conquered Native Indians and the treatment of conquered people over most of recorded human history. The only difference being that "back then" they were used as physical labour but the NAI's were just left to fend for themselves. I suppose that was some compensation for losing their lands, so potentially rich in global terms.

At least th issue is being openly discussed in the US now. I left the USA in 1970 and the issue was never mentioned. It was almost taboo.

The moral treatment of the losers in a conflict is a tricky subject. Once you conquer lands, to give them back in the same order as they were is to lose what you have gained. The best one can do is try to offer the same rights to the losers as enjoyed by the winners. But of course prejudice being what it is, that is very difficult.

BTW I have to smile sadly at China accusing the US of evil in its treatment of conflicts over land and indigenous people...while they spent centuries conquering half of Asia and severely abusing the Uighurs (a native population who occupy a huge part of NW China's border) even today.

 

You are with your "How about Jewish males who have faced discrimination?"

har har,... you edit it out in your reply.

I didn't say you said that. Somebody did. While it remains you hardly are willing to admit what happened.... since you're removing my text out of your replies. It's even against forum rules.

 

This isn't about me. Besides, you don't know where I live or what my nationality is anyways.

This is not very relevant to who the US government has mistreated Native Americans, with their policies to ethnically cleanse their entire heritage out of them till the end of the 1970's, killing 10.000's of them in that proces.... without any remorse. It's on par with what China is doing.

You show to be clueless what the topic is.

 

I asked you if Jewish males should pay reparations to black people. What about white women paying reparations to black men? Should Japanese who were sent to camps during WW2 pay reparations to blacks?

You can compare them if you like because you're the one who favors reparations. I prefer helping people who have needs with the obvious understanding that Native Americans are more often needing help than white folks.

One more time ... I quote what I'm addressing and link to your post.

One more time ... I quote what I'm addressing and link to your post.

I don't think forum rules require I quote your post in its entirety.

 

You're deflecting.

Because those white people weren't send to the gulag to get their heritage cleansed while doing hard manual labor.

you're flat out ignoring the subject of what happened to the Native Americans by the hands of the American government is on par with what the Chinese government is doing... since you keep editting it out.

rule 4, you're not allowed to change the quotes.

 

I am amazed that people are so preoccupied with the past. The past is DONE... OVER.... LEFT THE BUILDING. I have grandkids I care about. That means I'm much more interested in what will happen in 2060 than what happened in 1860.

 

You brought up reparations. I just want to know who you think should pay.

Why are you comparing?

I can't edit your posts. Get a clue.

I'm only quoting what I'm addressing. But I explained that already.

 

People of color, aboriginals, women, gays ... they all still suffer discrimination. It's not the past yet.

 

Some people will always concentrate on being victims. Most would rather concentrate on achievement and success.

 

We still should advocate for and support people who suffer discrimination.

 

I certainly agree with that... but focusing totally on being a victim is sick. That's how you STAY a victim.

 

That's why I showed students how to start a business. You don't have to be in lines stretching around the block trying for a few jobs in bad times.

 

Interesting... I never stood in line for a job... thanks for broadening my horizons... I always had scheduled appointments for interviews.

 

You don't schedule interviews for lots of low-skill work.

 

I wouldn't know about "low skilled work". Its always amazed me that folks wouldn't get back to school or earn a trade when faced with the relatively low income of "low skilled work".

 

That is one view.
However another is that we should learn from the past and so keep it in mind.
Unfortunately other things get in the way of remembering the past...like present rewards and opportunities.
However the past is the skeleton upon which we hang the present. It has shaped our culture and IMO we should be grateful for its lessons and for its gifts.

 

Retraining several times during a successful working life is the new normal. Even the most secure employment--say, a unionized elementary school teacher--requires learning new skills from time to time.

 

Didn't the US government inflict that policy on the Native Americans to ethnically cleanse out their heritage? Who else but the US government should end up paying up for it? Geez. And I only brought that up, since the US hasn't done so.... and doing so is the expression of being aware you have wronged a person. You make a boo boo, you reimburse a person. Is that hard to understand?

The OP says "Chinese government spokesperson said the US committed evil crimes against native Americans".. as a response to what the Chinese government is doing to the Uyghurs. Seems rather obvious we end up comparing this. And the Chinese are totally right.

I didn't say you're editing my posts. I said you're editing my texts. Your replies contain my text that you edited.