A Real Patriot Speaks Out

Still though, China keeps stealing our military secrets, and now they are pulling ahead of us in certain areas just as Russia is.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/324595-russia-china-making-gains-on-us-military-power

"But much of the U.S.'s spending is paying for military operations overseas, such as the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

“U.S. forces … go halfway around the world to fight. And they fight in the other guy’s backyard, at times in places of the other guy’s choosing. And that’s the problem,” said David Ochmanek, senior defense researcher at the RAND Corporation.

China and Russia, meanwhile, are spending heavily on “modernization” to improve their militaries' quality, efficiency and overall performance. The strategy is paying huge dividends, especially for China.

“It’s not just one area or few areas. If you look at the evolution of [China’s] military over the last 15 years … it’s rather astonishing. Ballistic missiles, air defense, aircraft, electronic warfare, naval vessels — they’ve just invested very substantially in modern capabilities,” Ochmanek said."

Just another reason we should never have allowed the country to be led by a coward.

 

Yeah they're not the one's that wanted gays in the military, that was all your team.

 

I agree, what were we thinking electing Obama.

I know you wouldn't be so illogical as to think this all happened in the last 60 days or anything.

 

I can't remember ANY big power going into the middle east and actually winning a war. Most just manage to lose a lot of soldiers, drain themselves then, after years, finally find a way to drag themselves out of the mess.

trump is a fool. And if he thinks that HE will make difference, he's a bigger fool than he first appeared to be. All he's going to do is make matters worse. Far, far, worse. Macho talk about fighting and dying means nothing. I'd like the U.S. to elect a president with character and integrity and BRAINS. That's NOT what we have right now. Going to war, fighting and dying for an orange fool, doesn't sound like a good plan.

 

My son did two tours of duty under Obama flying a FA-18 bombing ISIS. Every target had to be approved from Valerie Jarrett at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Very frustrating when you are denied attacking the enemy 80% of the time.

My nephew is over there also a FA-18 pilot and they are now allowed to kill ISIS.

What rank was Bill Clinton who recieved his induction orders twice and someone had to take his place each time?
And what about Obama who would have been rejected for military service because of his drug abuse ?
Guess what ? Even today a bone spur would get you rejected from serving in the military.

Montel Williams was an affirmative action officer. Montel had to attend the Naval Academy Preparatory School where Annapolis candidates who are lacking on the brain housing group have to attend just like todays Obama's Moron Officer Corps candidates have to attend.

Waste of taxpayers money sending someone to Annapolis to to become limited duty officers as aviation maintenance officers, oceanographers or cryptographers. The U.S. Navy already has officers schools for "restricted line duty officers" and Annapolis isn't one of them.

FYI: Naval aviators are line officer not restricted line officer.

 

Yes there are women even tougher than I was when I was in. However, I'm not into pointing out some standout---I'm talking about the service members as a whole. And you don't seem to disagree that making the PT standards the same would cull about 40% of females from the ranks.

The service branches no longer report this data, but in the past, women had a non-deployment rate 4 times higher than men---and is likely still the case.

Unless you've walked around with a full combat load of 60+ lbs for days, trying to dig holes in rocky soil---you wouldn't likely understand that ground infantry combat in today's (not WW 2 or Vietnam) Army/Marines is something extremely few women could do.

 

Still no evidence Trump was the one that changed the rules. Maybe you should ask when the rules were changed to allow the killing of civilians by the American military:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ian-casualties-air-war-against-isil/83190812/

Why is it you right wing fanatics must always rely on the actions of others to defend your coward in chief? I have not said a word to defend cowards of either party. But you do.

Hypothetical. Was GW Bush rejected because of his alcoholism?

Again you missed the point. If one actually has bone spurs they would not be able to play sports as Trump did. And there is no proof that Trump ever had the spurs removed.

Sounds like jealousy of ones more intelligent then you. Or is it because they are Black, and you need to defend your moron White folk.

 

Nope, and it began long before Obama even though you would like to blame everything on him, or the Democrats.

 

Donald Trump while on the campaign trail made a promise that unlike Obama he was going to listen to his generals and admirals. That he was going to follow the military chain of command unlike Obama. It was most likely that it was Sec of Defense Gen. "Mad Gog" Mattis who changed the "Rules of Engagement" so American soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen weren't bleeding and dying on the battlefield in the name of political correctness.

Obama vs. the Generals. -> http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/11/obama-vs-the-generals-099379

Why have the left for the past forty years have called any Republican who served in the reserves or Guard or had a student or medical deferment a coward or a draft dodger but never never a liberal ?????

Before the "Tailhook" witch hunt, fighter jocks drank hard and drove fast cars and chased fast women.

Before the military was used for social engineering every military base had an EM Club, NCO Club, SNCO Club or a CPO Club and an Officers Club. Not today.

excerpt:
By then, some of the dozens of medical conditions that could disqualify someone from serving in the US Army, if found to be severe or detrimental, included:

• Cleft lip defects
• Stomach ulcers and stomach bleeding
• Heel spur syndrome and hammertoe result in referral to a medical evaluation board
• Current or history of coronary heart disease
• Current absence of one or both testicles
• Plantar flexion of the foot must meet 30 degrees
• Women below 58 inches or over 80 inches tall do not meet standards
• Men below 60 inches or over 80 inches tall do not meet standards -> http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/04/health/heel-spurs-military-deferments/

 

I like your post but need to adjust the wording slightly. The military is an instrument of economic change - regardless of the social consequences.

The whole spreading freedom and democracy diatribe are just platitudes to create happy "necessary illusions" for the raging masses.

 

I believe that kids of politicians are serving the same amount of percentage as the rest of military aged Americans, about 1 %.

 

The combat arms in our military need to be thought of as NFL football teams that require the younger and stronger players.
So far, no women have not been able to play any significant part on the field. That's why women, except for a very rare few, are not cut out for ground infantry combat. Standards should never be lowered, like they have been for police and fire departments.

I support excellence----whatever you think the military does or should do.

 

Given that the military are brainwashed as a part of their training, you can imagine my shock.

Scientology uses the same technique, as does every cult in existence. Isolate. Break them down. Rebuild as desired. There is hardly anything less objective than the political opinions of regular soldiers.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/cult4.htm

 

The Kurd's have some amazing female fighters. War is more mechanized than not these days. As further mechanization takes place the "Commando" hyper training is less and less a factor.

Not that there is not a role for such superhero's - but, that is just one role. There are plenty of other roles - driving a tank for example or snipers where women can compete on par with men.

Certainly flying a plane or controlling a drone is something women are capable of (assuming we can get our crappy F-35's off the ground)
http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/weapons/2017/f35-continues-to-stumble.html

 

I volunteered and served in the Army in the 70s. But, more to the point, my son served in the Marines '05-09, fought in Anbar Province, Iraq, in '07 and Helmand Province, Afghanistan, in '08. He is also a Purple Heart recipient. No one has more respect for our troops than I do.

But I see "fighting like never before" as just a figure of speech, a Trumpism, if you will. It was never meant to imply that our troops didn't fight just as hard in prior conflicts, with just as much bravery and heart. I understand how, if you take the words literally, you can make the implication, but by now we should be learning that Trump doesn't script his remarks and carefully parse every sentence. I listen to the intent behind the words, not the literal words themselves.

To our troops in harm's way ... May the days pass quickly, and may you come home safe.

 

Before Obama:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121330893

Don't know. I call Gore, Clinton, Kerry, and many others cowards. You need to ask why you never admit that the right wing is led by cowards. Then too, for the most part the "left" opposes war while the "right" seeks more wars.

Well, you are right to a point. Mostly the clubs disappeared because they became service personnel quit using them preferring off base clubs, family time, etc. But your point was that Obama would not be allowed in the service because of drug use. And that was a false statement. You are assuming that the pilots did not do drugs, and I know for a fact they did.

There you go again missing the point. My point had nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with whether or not bone spurs was a reason for a deferment. Kind of hard to hike 20 miles with bone spurs. The point is HOW DO YOU PLAY FOOTBALL, OR BASKETBALL, WITH BONE SPURS? Trump did, and never has proven he had bone spurs, or that they were removed.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/08/whats-a-heel-spur/494057/

"Trump played high-school basketball, but he would’ve been an extremely rare case to have been debilitated by spurs at 22, especially of the sort that required no surgical intervention (he admits to having none) nor any other discernible treatment (according to his medical record).

Much more plausibly, as Trump also admitted to the Times, the spurs were a “minor” problem.

There is a tradition of avoiding the Vietnam draft among recent American presidents, so this would not itself set Trump apart. What would set him apart is having done so and then criticized the contributions of veterans and their families—of John McCain and Humayan, Khizr, and Ghaala Khan—while claiming to have sacrificed himself in a different way, by building a real estate empire.

The case of the heel spur only calcifies the case that, as Warren Buffet said yesterday, “Trump and his family have sacrificed nothing.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431755/donald-trumps-huge-lies

 

Like when he denigrated McCain, and others? When he said he knew more about ISIS then the generals who were actually fighting the war?

What we should know by now is that Trump is a lying coward, and if you want to sacrifice your son to the whims of this ******* feel free to do so. Just don't expect all others to follow along like a bunch of sheep.

 

The Congressional hearings on rape in the military took place during the Bush regime when the military had plenty of closeted Log Cabin Republicans.

 

And you have never served, neither did your "brother", and neither did your grandson get killed by an IED.

I am a "war parent". My son came within heartbeats of bleeding out and dying when he was wounded in Iraq. We attended the funerals of his battle buddies during his deployments. This was the single hardest experience of my lifetime. If any of what you said was true, you would not talk like that because you would already know this.

You cry over Trump saying "fighting like never before" because it might be offensive, and then you talk about me wanting to sacrifice my son. The rules of this forum constrain me...

 

How do you know what his intent behind the words is? I think he has no idea of how offensive some of these statements are.

 

Some of his statements, especially during the campaign, were offensive, and I cringed at them. But this one? Nah ... just a figure of speech.

 

I know that enough of our brave men have died, and become disabled, under the leadership of liars, and cowards. If you cannot see that then more is the pity.

No, I 'cry" over a coward acting as if he knows anything about being in the military, or fighting for ones country.

As to your "sacrificing your son", if you have not the insight to see that your son, and others like him., are sacrificing their lives for nothing then more is the pity. At what point does it end? You sure as hell don't see the Russians, or the Chinese, sacrificing their children in useless wars. Yet you think it is some kind of "patriot" duty to give up a life for the wealth of others? People like Trump profit from the misery of others just as he did when he said he hoped for a housing crisis so he could make money. And right now he intends to make money off the Dakota Access Pipeline since h owns stock in the oil being produced, and in the pipeline.

One would think the country learned something with Vietnam. Evidently not.

As to the "rules", have at it. It won't bother me, and I wouldn't report it.

 

So, only some words "have meaning".

 

It's not so much that we are naïve, as it is we are desperate for good leadership, a rare commodity in the US Government, all 3 branches.

 

And both parties. Those that could be good leaders cannot get the support not only from the media, but from the populace in general. Why people cannot understand that the two party system is corrupt, as Washington warned it would be, is beyond me.