Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between Taliban and USA

Just ignore FreshAir and tell her she's wrong.

She has a pattern of doing this. She's trying to make this discussion go off topic.

Tell her to provide a link to another thread if she wants to argue about it.

 

Trump signed the deal,
Trump brought home the 13000 troops before our people,
Trump released the 5000 Taliban prisoners before bringing out people home

Trump has his fingers in this pie too, same as Biden

 

Have anything to contribute that's on topic?

 

So you have no clue, You were just yammering gibberish
So glad we finally cleared that up.

Or did you have the basic mentality to explain this;
You prefer we didn't release the prisoners
(as prisoner exchange is common in negotiating the end of wars) How you don't know that isn't really a surprise.
You preferred the Taliban to continue to kill Americans for that 18 months
What did those 5000 prisoners do that wasn't worth the peace treaty and a peaceful evacuation?
How did they hinder Biden in any way?

Do you have an answer or were you just yammering because you can't come up with anything else

 

If she wants to dig her own hole, I'm going to let her. Lets see how much she believes her own BS.

 

I think you should be asking yourself that question

 

sounds like you have no clue, Trump and Biden made mistakes, both get some blame and some credit

 

I agree, but..... would Trump have just released him anyways if we had caught him?

 

So you're admitting you knowingly made up false claims in hundreds of your post about these 5000 prisoners that you knew nothing about.
You can't answer one question about them, you have no idea if they could have made any difference. You just made it all up.

 

nope, you seem confused, who do you think gave up those 5000 Taliban prisoners, who signed the surrender deal with the Taliban, who kicked the can to Biden?

who did not bring our people home even after signing the deal....

 

Then put your money where you mouth is. Or you can admit you never had a clue to begin with. Heres your chance. Are your claims fake?
What did those 5000 prisoners do that wasn't worth the peace treaty and a peaceful evacuation and the safety of our American soldiers for 18 months?
How did they hinder Biden in any way?

 

what I said was fact, not sure why you can't see that

 

What you said was babble that has nothing to do with the question trying to deflect from your own post.
You made the claim hundreds of times but when your asked about it you run?
Either answer the question or you can show us you have been faking these claims.
FOR THE 5TH TIME
What did those 5000 prisoners do that wasn't worth the peace treaty and a peaceful evacuation and the safety of our American soldiers for 18 months?
How did they hinder Biden in any way?

 

what your saying is babble, I posted the facts, do with them what you may

Trump should have been getting our people out, the day after the deal was signed, he should of been working on a plan

you don't make a trade like that, then do nothing for 9 months and kick the can to the next guy

 

We all got the message and appreciate your confirmation.
You never had any clue about those 5000 prisoners
You know nothing about those 5000 prisoners
You were just falsifying your post for partisan reasons
And you confirmed your real intellectual dishonesty over these 5000 prisoners
.

 

we get it, you want to ignore the truth, have at it

 

We all get it. You falsified the same claim a hundred times you refuse to explain.
You can still answer the question but instead, you just give more babble.
So you stick with your story. Everyone knows better.

 

you can make up all the strawmans you want and attack them, but I stand by what I said

Trump had 9 months to start getting our people out after the deal was signed, Trump did not even try

 

More blah blah blah blah blah
Your claims have no value

 

We seemed to care, since American civilians and others didn't want to leave the country under Taliban rule.

Pff. Major thing of why the Taliban was able to do in that 1 month what they did.
Also... it's easier to evacuate from 2 airports and not 1. That civilian airport in Kabul only has 1 landingstrip.
That's a no brainer that what can be done there, is just utterly limited.

Huh? "Taliban and Afgans were in a war"... Taliban are Afghans.
And it has to do that it was a bad idea from the start. Obama wanted to pull out. Trump started with pulling out. Somehow the civilian Americans did not get the memo about pulling out while it was blasted all over. Why is Biden to blame for them 10.000's of American civilians and other nationalities for ignoring GENERAL KNOWLEDGE and staying put until the country got governed by the Taliban? It's their own fault of course! Can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink kind of thing.

Bush has everything to do with it. He pushed that idea that nationbuilding is possible. That's why all them civilians were there thinking it all was ging fine.

As mentioned before. They could have left in 2020 under Trump. Trump made a DEAL with the Taliban to pull out in may 2021.
Biden made that august 2021. It's their own fault that them civilians weren't gone in may 2021, and linger on some more months.

 

What is this incessant gripe about a 9/11 photo op?

 

They believed trump was targeted for fake attacks (even though they were legitimate concerns, illegal actions in many cases) so they are trying to do the same to Biden.

Gaslighting and projection are key tenants of the GOP along with obstruction. It is what the acronym stands for.

 

Oh, cool! I thought I was missing something. This is just more of their "stuff"? Got it! Thanks man!

 

You asked about the Taliban attacking other forces in the country. My answer was why do we care, our mission was to get Americans out. You answer makes no sense.

Your claim was It all started to collapse at a lightning speed when the US pulled out of that military airbase.

My answer was The Bagram base was evacuated on July 6 more than a month before the Taliban reached Kabul. No dice

You answer makes no sense. What does the Kabul civilian airport have to do with pulling out of Bagram 30 days prior and when did it become easier to pull out of two air bases than just one? You answer makes no sense.

My question was, You thought it would be better to wait until the Taliban and Afgans were in a war in Kabul to evacuate even if they did fight?
Uh, yeah, we know the Taliban an Afghans are at war. The point is NOT IN KABUL. The rest of your off topic post was deleted as it has nothing to do with anything.

So the question remains. You said the Afghan Army was supposed to stand and fight and how could we know they wouldn't do that.
My answer is, why the hell would you wait until the Taliban reached Kabul to have a war in the city (even if they did fight) before evacuating?

So you though something Bush said 20 years ago effected all 200,000 people in Kabul, not to evacuate? Sorry, no dice. Not even the local cats thought we were going to stay and nation build at this point. You just somehow thought when Trump signed the agreement to leave Afghanistan that all 200,000 people and every NATO ally we have remembered a speech Bush gave 20 years ago and that thought caused them to forget we just signed a deal to leave? This is what your selling? lol

Yes, all 200,000 civilians, Germany, France, Britain, and the Dutch got it wrong because you know something they don't.
Got it

 

Oh in that case. I don't recall that there was a plan to get deep state America out of Afghanistan beforehand.
Deep state America gambled they could remain there while being protected by pro western Afghan forces.
Biden is not responsible for those forces who called it quits.

Of course it's dice. It's all connected. The march towards Kabul started as soon as Trump pulled out well over 10,000 troops in 2020.

It would have been much easier for 100,000 deep state Americans to escape Afghanistan using 2 airports. Since when deep state America raised it's finger about wanting to leave, there was just 1 airport left with 1 landingstrip.

The pro western Afghans were losing the war against the religious Afghans in 2020, when Trump pulled out his forces. It was just a matter of time before they showed up IN KABUL. You go tell me why deep state America thought this wouldn't happen and that they were going to be all safe under the protection of pro western Afghans. It's their own fault for staying to the very end and beyond the end. 100.000's of them... everybody could figure out it's not possible for them to all leave at the very end.

Indeed. Why the hell did they wait, and why is it Bidens fault that deep state America did nothing for months on end while it was widely known the Afghan forces were losing all over ever since Trump pulled out well over 10,000's of troops. Do note... them deep state Americans there, are the ones who give Biden the info needed to assess how to react to what goes on in Afghanistan.

Exactly what do you think those 200,000 western people were doing in that capital? Doing "charity"?

It's their own fault.