Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between Taliban and USA

I really don’t believe that is possible unfortunately.
Both sides lie about the other and refuse to take responsibility for their party’s misdeeds. They frequently blame the other side only to do way worse when they are in a similar position.

Now that one of the parties has moved into trying to annul the voices of the other side through various legal maneuvers I am fearful what comes next.

 

You're being naïve.

So 150,000 people all got it wrong? I think not.

The troops were evacuated to the airport leaving Americans behind and Biden ordered them to stay at the airport while Germany, France, Britain, and the Dutch sent in their special forces to get their people out.

The base was evacuated of all US personnel and US aircraft. You can call it what ever you want.

What does that even mean? Even if the Afghan fighters stood their ground, We should hang around Kabul and the airports while the city is being bombed in the middle of a Taliban/Afghan war while we evacuate?
When we could have left when we evacuated the airfield.

 

According to government and military officials “Over 17,000 pieces of equipment have been destroyed. And some other supplies have been purposefully transferred to the Afghans” [Business Insider]

Do you have a list of what military vehicles were left behind that belonged to the US and were not destroyed or handed over to Security forces?

I think much of the equipment that was left was because we were arming the Afghans, not just leaving this stuff in the middle of an occupied area.

 

Not after the signing of the agreement in February of 2020. Not a single American soldier was bombed, attacked, or killed by any Taliban for 18 months after the signing.

Thats because you know nothing of combat tactics or perimeter security missions.
Yeah, we are pissed that Biden ALLOWED the Taliban to run airport perimeter security
Yeah, we are pissed that Biden ordered our Troops to stand their like sitting ducks
Yeah, we are pissed that Biden told Americans they were on their own to get to the airport
Yeah, we are pissed that Biden refused to allow our forces to go into the city and get our people out while we look like cowards watching Germany, France, Britain, and the Dutch go in and get their people out
Yeah, we are pissed that Biden waited until the city was occupied by the Taliban before ordering the evacuation
Yeah, we are pissed that Biden pissed off the families at Dover where 2/3 of them walked out of his meeting with them

When you project weakness, your worst nightmares come true. They didn't have to die. This was the aftermath of shooting for a 9/11 photo op instead of thinking of Americans first.
If you want to explain how Biden could evacuate the embassy, the troops, and the airfield in hours but couldn't find a day in the last 8 months, help yourself.

 

The Afghan Army was given those weapons as gifts and it would have been wrong to try and take them back.

 

not sure why the military left some there, but most of it was given to the Afghan Army over the last 20 years and if Biden had taken it all back and then the Taliban took over, the right would be attacking him for that and blaming the take-over on him

 

And you filling your posts with your own assumptions. You made direct claims. Back them up.

Here is an article last edited July 06 that states “The American military mission in Afghanistan officially comes to an end on Sept. 11, but officials have said they expect the pullout to be complete by mid-August.”

So yes, they got it wrong. Or, most likely — they believed it wouldn’t fall as quickly as it did. How you are getting this wrong after acting like you are the more informed poster — going as far as telling other posters “this isn’t the place for them” — says much about your character. Maybe you are use to debating on theDonald?

There we’re troops in Kabul until the end.

And transferred to Afghan Security forces. No need to call it anything — that is what happened.

Do you believe evacuating civilians that are off base would be as easy as evacuating military personal that are on base?

And again, we did have troops there. 13 of them died protecting the airport.

 

I agree with you on this.

 

No American has been killed under Biden by any Taliban either.

Most of you are just pissed Biden removed your chosen leader. There was very little loss of life and what did occur was out of the hands of both the Taliban and Biden. The evacuation was ordered months ago.

So you believe if we had a strong leader (which I agree Biden is not) then a suicide bomber from a terrorist organization wouldn’t have blown themself up? Really? I disagree

The state department had been warning people for months to evacuate. Much like the response we see from police / government workers with mask mandates vs civilians in the US — one group follows orders, the other largely does what they want.

How do you feel Biden should have forced the civilians to leave prior?

 

Any other qualifiers you want to list to cover up the 150 Afghans and 13 US soldiers killed?

Thats pretty weak. But when you have nothing else I guess you have to move to your default.

So over 150,000 people all got it wrong but you know better? Suuuure.

How many people were killed on July 6 when we evacuated the airfield before enemy occupation? How many suicide bombers were there? How many Bagram jails were emptied?
Thats right ZERO

Seems over 100,000 got the message and moved to the airport in a few days when they found out about the evacuation.

 

There were NO US soldiers in Kabul. EVERY soldier we had in Kabul was evacuated to the airport with the embassy the night of the 14th and none of them ever went back into the city.

Being out by mid August doesn't mean evacuating the embassy overnight on August 14 leaving Americans behind in the city. Biden telling someone at a presser that he thinks everyone will be out by mid August is just his guess. Obviously, over 100,000 people didn't run to the airport prior to their midnight evacuation so your claim they were told that, then have to make their way through Taliban checkpoints doesn't jive with your theory.

Anybody who spent 6 months in the military would know
1. Evacuate civilian personnel first
2. Evacuate your embassy
3. Evacuate your troops
4. Evacuate your air support

What did Biden do
1. Evacuated Air support
2. Evacuated embassy
3. Evacuated Troops
4. Evacuated Civilians which left American civilians trapped in the city

All Biden had to do was evacuate before the Taliban arrived. But you will continue to come up with excuses like
No American has been killed under Biden by any Taliban either.
OR
Most of you are just pissed Biden removed your chosen leader.

This was Bidens attempt to get a 9/11 photo op while ignoring an advancing army until he was forced to get out.
Then he ordered the evacuation, leaving Americans behind and goes on a 4 day vacation

So defend him all you want. He is a coward and an incompetent dementia ridden fool that cost the lives of our soldiers for his ignorance.

 

Surely, you're not shocked by that.

Go read the thread on Ashli Babbitt. She actually defied a direct order from a law enforcement officer and she's been elevated to sainthood for some reason.

1 cop died that day.
2 cops committed suicide that weekend after the riot.
2 cops who were there committed suicide in July.
Hundreds of cops were injured.

But the lawbreaker is all they seem to care about.

And, if you can manage, take a peek at all the awful comments about leaving our Afghani allies over there to be executed for helping our side.

FREEDOM is NOT FREE. Those of us that have suited up and worn the badge pay the price.

 

I understand the vast cultural differences at play but that doesn't explain the lack of planning and abysmal execution. We have the strongest military in the world. Nobody up top could calculate this? That doesn't square up. Not even close.

 

No. I'm not going to let you give up on us. We came together after 9/11. We can do it again. It won't be easy but there's too much at stake. I have two amazingly wonderful children and all the kids I've advocated for and defended and mentored over my lifetime.

No, I won't give up. We have to try, CD. There are no other options.

 

I don't get the impression that people are arguing they should have been taken back. It sounds more like somewhere along the way, somebody should have anticipated the fast capitulation and realized the weapons would end up in the wrong hands. I could be wrong but that is how I'm understanding the comments on this specific issue.

And, again, thank you for writing that post. I am at peace with Trump's and Biden's role on that specifically. It helped (which is why you notice me sharing it constantly. Very well written and very reasonable).

 

how many American soldiers did under Trump? how many Afgans?

 

I do not think anyone expected the Afghan army to give up before the fight even started with the Taliban, that threw all the plans out the window

Trump should have brought the Afghan government into the deal making process, that sent the signal that he was supporting the Taliban, so the Afgan army just gave up

 

Here are some rough total numbers. I'm going to see if I can find a breakdown. I'll post back if I find something.



https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-afghanistan-43d8f53b35e80ec18c130cd683e1a38f

 

That's not accurate enough.

According to the agreement, the Taliban was allowed to attack pro western Afghan forces.... which they did under Trump.
The Taliban was already winning it back then and there in 2020, when the US stopped fighting.

Also Biden evacuated 2 airbases near Kabul. First a military one, and then the civilian one.
It's also a general perception that the speed of Biden pulling out them lasts troopers was WAY to fast.
It all started to collapse at a lightning speed when the US pulled out of that military airbase.

It's also due that the US in the past installed exceptionally corrupt leaders to fight their wars.
But did they pay their soldiers adequately and feed them etc?
The entire idea them soldiers would fight for an exceptionally corrupt regime to the death, was just bonkers.
While they fought against the Taliban, whose religious idea's aren't to far fetched for them anyways.
It's just the west who calls it bad, and terrorism when it's the Taliban.
Ever cared to compare it to how it goes on in Saudi?
You tell me why the west is friends with them lot who as good as got the same idea's as the Taliban?
It's all part of neo-colonialism to get fed this idea that one side is good enough and one is really bad.
While both are kind of the same.

Biden simply inherited an exceptionally bad idea from GWB. Let's be clear about who started something that would never work.
It was doomed from the start. What Biden could have done better, is pulling out the civilians first, and only then quit the military base.
And indeed Biden is in charge. But he gets fed the garbage from the entire US army again and again that it's all going fine.
Let's also keep in mind where the blame really lies for the past 20 years, and not just for the past 5 months. That's rather cheap.
Bunch of ego's high up in the US army were going for glory, promotions etc.
While the weapon industry made a fortune. Do you think they have a lavish lobby?

 

You are the one that used the qualifier. If you believe me repeating your same metric is me covering up something I guess you are telling on yourself. The agenda is blatant and pathetic.

Yet still accurate

I don’t know better, I can just easily find sources that show just how incorrect you are.

Ok? I am not sure what point you are trying to make instead of saying because X happened when Y did the Z must also happen because X happened a second time with a new variable.

Again, they had long received the message as I have already sourced. Just because you close your eyes real tight doesn’t rewrite the truth.

 

Your failure to comprehend the posted article is your own. Since you have moved to ranting and refusing to acknowledge facts or sources we can end the conversation — if you can even call it that. Take care.

 

Great Job, cd8ed.

Great Job of Completely (and Utterly and CORRECTLY) Dismantling a Repetitive Litany of Misguuded Talking Points.

Bottom line--Hindsight is 20/20.

And, anyone who (still) is beating the "Trump would have done it different" drum--might as well be claiming that if Bat Boy had won that Kabul would be Unicorns and Rainbows.

Once again, hindsight is 20/20.

So, until Biden's Haters latch ono the next "Joe Bad!" outrage, everybody should continue to be subjected to the sort of egregiously misguided "talking points" that you responded to..

Once again, Good Job.

 

Facts. like Most of you are just pissed Biden removed your chosen leader
If I was you, I'd run from the conversation as well

 

Give the Taliban $80 billion in weapons, agree to cease shooting at them, and promise financial aid to them an hell, you have all the makings of another Iraq, Iran, or Egypt.

 

All of your ridiculous observations are just you protecting Biden. You couldn't provide enough links to warrant 100,000 people not getting the message.
But thats a common sense thing and you would even dispute that. You can't even admit that evacuating before occupation would have been better. You can't even admit that the air base evacuation wasn't attacked. How many links do you have for that.