Air Force vet quits job after can’t wear American flag face mask

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  1. Alchemist

    Alchemist Well-Known Member

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    At this store specifically? Are you making the claim that this business allow BLM and not the flag? Did you read their dress code?
     
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    Tucker Carlson is a commentator, not a reporter. Rachel Madcow is a commentator, not a reporter. Hannity is a commentator, not a reporter. That band of Hags, The View, are commentators, not reporters. There's a pattern here but I bet you still aren't getting it.
     
  3. Oh Yeah

    Oh Yeah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes and No. Yes many of the employees wear BLM shirts , buttons or jewelry with the initials . There is a dress code but company policy was changed a couple years ago that no longer required certain colored shoes, pants or shirts. It was verbal. There are a couple who try and chastise those when any incident comes up that appears to be white against black. They will say things like " see what your people do to my people". She was the Chief Shop Steward , so, who do you complain too. I wore a MAGA hat into the store and the manager, who is black, just stopped and looked at me and just kept shacking his head no, no, no. Other white employees have been called into the office and reprimanded because they have been reported as what some blacks perceived to be racist. So now there is very little association between the white and black employees. I myself got tired of the BS and put in my retirement papers.
     
  4. Oh Yeah

    Oh Yeah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you think all Christians are white supremacist's, fascists?
     
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    Oh Yeah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When one becomes a citizen they take an oath " I Pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all". They are asked to denounce any allegiance to the country they came from. They are asked to defend this country against any foreign or domestic enemy's .

    The problem is not those who wish to fly the flag and honor it but those who which to tear it down, burn it , spit on it, and raise their own flag. Have you ever noticed that in every movie that when one country defeats another country they raise their flag.

    BLM have justification for many of their complaints but when it turns into anarchy and destroying other peoples property then we have a situation were the "rule of law" and a couple of the basic Constitutional rights are violated . The right too property and pursuit of happiness. When the government, does not or will not step in, then the citizens have an obligation to form a militia and defend there homeland. Should the free state be lost to the political corruption of a police state, responsible citizens shall face the propaganda for what it is, abandon politics for the Constitution, and take up arms for their commitment to the security of a free state. It's a moral duty Not the best solution but when we give those the authority to act and they do nothing drastic measures must be invoked.

    Justice is blind and the scales equally weighted so the accused also has a right to seek counsel. Justice at times is slow. If we do not let justice run it's course then we don't have any justice.
     
  6. Papastox

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    Whatever....yadayadayada.
     
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    It should bother you and every American that his hand was forced (on principle) and had to quit over this.

    Unless, of course, you're not an American.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only the ones who don't follow Christ's example and his teachings....which is perhaps 99.9% of y'all
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's exactly my response when tRump opens his mouth
     
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    Get used to it...
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have....it is now an autonomic response
     
  12. Andrew Jackson

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    Suffice it to say, he was in violation of Company Policy and the company had valid reasons for the policy.

    And no, it doesn't bother me. Nor should it.
     
  13. Oh Yeah

    Oh Yeah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ummm! How about Spanish and Black Christians? Never mind. Putting people in boxes is what divides us. Every time I'm asked on a form what my nationality is I check other. Why? I refuse to be labeled anything other than an American. I was born in America and my allegiance is to America. Not to my Grandfathers Germany or Austria or to my Grandmothers England or Scotland. Scientifically my DNA says my roots go back to Eve the mother of mankind. Therefore the only genus I belong to is the homo sapient human race. I may be a pink white breed of human but it is no different than the black breed as far as blood goes. We need to eliminate classifying people by race. What is the purpose of it anyways? To give privilege to one group over the other? All should be allowed to practice what ever religion they wish as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. The dividers are those who wish to classify by religion, gender, race, income or wealth, nationality so they can exploit them for political power. You could say I'm a nationalist and not a globalist. I'm a nationalist in the since that all who were born here are Americans and all those we legally invite in have our protection under our laws until they become American Citizens. Illegal entrants not granted asylum, no matter how bad the situation in their country, undermine the privilege's granted to our citizens under the Constitution.
     
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    And the valid reason is...???
    I guess the latter applies then.
     
  15. Andrew Jackson

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    I am sure that you could get an answer from them.

    I am sure there is Corporate Contact Info accessible through a simple Google search

    What "latter".

    And, why would anybody "guess" anything (without all of the relevant info)?
     
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    Dead wrong.

    #4 does not apply because it isn't a flag. Someone posted it already in this thread.
    #9 does not apply for multiple reasons. First, it, again, isn't a flag. Second, the mask was not for temporary use and discard. It's also not advertising anything. If this were another country, sure, you could make the advertisement argument, but it isn't.

    Now move on with your american hating.
     
  17. ChoppedLiver

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    You posted that the company "had a valid reason" but you have no proof that they did nor know if the "reason" was even valid.

    Ya got nothing.

    Again.

    As usual.
    You replied to what I previously wrote.

    Did you not read what you were replying to or did you just forget because of STML?
     
  18. mudman

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    AJ doesn't ever engage anyone in a discussion. Keep your expectations low here. I also like to point out that it is a forum rule to respond to the post you quote as lefties are notorious for quoting you and not responding at all to what you said. It's probably the most unenforced rule here.

    I do think his 'valid reason' is that it was a company policy (which has been changed). Which is a garbage argument. If they had a company policy of not serving blacks, would AJ then argue that they had a valid reason for not letting black people in their business?....of course not. The 'company policy' argument is a poor one.
     
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  19. Andrew Jackson

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    Huh?

    Did you even read the entire OP article?

    What is so hard to understand?

    The corporate policy seems pretty straightforward:

    In a statement, Food Lion said it has "great respect for the American flag," but also has blanket policies banning writing, insignia and symbols "to ensure a consistent and professional representation of our associates inside of our stores."

    And this part:

    "Ya got nothing. Again. As usual".

    Why would you feel it necessary to throw in an ad hominem insult that appears to denigrate my contributions to the discussions at PF?

    I have know idea what you are referring to.

    And, what is STML? I haven't heard that one.
     
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    I lived in this older neighborhood (20's and 30's built houses) in the late 90's and I had a neighbor who lived across the street and a few houses down from me.
    He was an old WWII Navy veteran who served the entire war on a carrier. He was a very skinny guy with a sunkin chest. He had tattoos on his loose arm skin. He lived off of SS/Disability.
    He had owned that house since the late early 60's but, due to his advanced age and health condition, the house was pretty much in disrepair.
    He had a sit-in front porch with a rickety wood picket fence on it with some bushes in front of it.

    One Independence Day, he hung an American flag off the wood porch rail with thumb tacks and had it draped over the top of the bush just a little below the rail. He could have hung it on the porch roof rail but he had not done so. Or maybe didn't have the strength to do so.
    That morning, I was walking down the street coming back from breakfast and saw his somewhat pathetic looking display of the American flag. I was new to the neighborhood and had talked to him a time or two but I did not really know him.
    So, I walked across the street and greeted him sitting on his porch. After saying "hello!", I said to the old Vet, "Do you need some help putting up your flag?"
    The old man replied, "Ain't nobody need to help me hang my flag!"
    He then continued, "And if anybody don't like how I fly my flag I don't give a ****!"
    The Old Veteran sure told me.
    And he told me right!
     
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    Validity is what was asked for you to prove.

    You got nuttin'.

    Again.

    As usual.
    Not an insult. Just an observation.
    Go back to when you first replied to my post and re-read (unless you didn't read it the first time. Then just read.) what I posted that you are replying to.

    It's there where you will find your (clear) answer.

    And STML is a memory condition that some people have.
     
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    99.9% Thats an extremely large group of people to paint with such a broad stroke. Isn't that what racists do?
     
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    You don't seem to get that having a corporate policy isn't valid reason for a companies actions. It's 100% their decision to not allow this. They made the policy too. So you can't just say they're forced to follow some law they had nothing to do with. If they made a policy to not serve blacks, would you defend them when they didn't allow blacks in their stores because 'they're just following company policy'. Because that's essentially the argument that your making and it's absurd. Company policy is, again, NOT A VALID REASON for a companies actions.

    There is absolutely no valid reason for them doing this and that is why they've already changed their policy.
     
  24. Andrew Jackson

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    "Validity"?

    You (Obviously) have missed the Entire Point.

    The Company can do whatever they want.

    If he didn't like it, he was free to quit. Period.

    "Validity" has nothing to do with it. End of story.


    Oh? Ok.

    At this point further engagement on my part is unnecessary.

    Feel free to take the last word.

    You just made my point for me.

    Everybody is well aware that I never allow myself to be drawn into these sort of exchanges.

    Responding to that sort of post doesn't serve to move the discussion forward in a respectful manner.

    Also, I have never been a fan of giving oxygen to any sort of ad hominem attacks.

    Carry on.:salute:
     
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    Exactly
     

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