Air Force vet quits job after can’t wear American flag face mask

Lies.

Trump has denounced white supremacy and racism dozens of times. Look it up or remain uninformed, but I am right.

 

Lol..I never thought otherwise

 

when it was in a speech written for him to say off a teleprompter, then the next day he goes back to being himself

whenever Trump has sounded Presidential, it's cause he is reading off a teleprompter

 

Fair enough. There is no end to trying to appease the easily offended. You can destroy statues, ban the flag, take Elmer Fudd's gun away, but there will always be something that triggers those growing up thinking they are entitled to have their fragile feelings protected.

 

Have you ever heard the idea that people tend to project their own feelings on to others...
perhaps that what you may be doing in this case.
You are reading a awful lot into an employee being asked not to wear a flag on his face.
Besides that type of mask is not all that good against COVID. Maybe that's why they told him to change it.
After all none of us was there to see.

 

We can only discuss what is in the article:

“Apparently corporate came down and said somebody was offended by the image of the American flag on the face covering,”

Those who are easily offended are the problem; not the image that triggered them. Do you disagree?

 

"Customer is always right" is a slogan that is one of those "obviously this is not true" slogans . The point of the slogan being that employees should ignore it when the customer is wrong - and just try to pacify them somehow.

While this is fine for general policy - what is not so fine is for the owner to appease this particular customer - as if this one customer represents the norm.

Sometimes the Customer is not right - and when the line crossed is significant - the owner should tell the customer - "Sorry" but you are wrong on this one.

What would such an interaction look like - Manager asks customer- "How can I help you" - customer says "I don't like that mask"

Manager - "how come" Customer "cause I hate the US flag"

Manager - "Go fk yourself and get out of this store"

 

Please understand that I do not care what picture is on his mask...as long as he makes some kind of effort to wear one.
The only possible problem I can see in all of this...
is that YOU are the one easily offended by someone being asked to remove a flag from their face.

 

Sorry, but you aren't the authority on determining what parts of his speeches he means and what parts he doesn't really mean.

 

if he can't be consistent, sure I can

I go by what he says off the cuff vs what someone writes for him

 

Exactly, F.A.

Trump gives a speech off of the promoter (think State of the Union), all of a sudden he gets praised (Trump has a chance for a "Re-Set").

Then, the next day he blows this chance at a "Re-Set", by going back on Twitter (denigrating the office) and rage tweeting.

An ongoing pattern for Trump.

 

Ok, except you can't defend your position here with either scripted speeches or unscripted ones. You're just repeating a talking point.

But by all means go ahead and try.

And you still don't get to dismiss everything he says just because it was a scripted speech. Should we have dismissed damn near everything obama ever said because everything was scripted? I guess I should dismiss every single one of biden's tweets since he isn't writing a single one of them? Being hypocritical isn't a good look.

 

No reasonable person could extract "offence" from my posts. Will you be replying to what I actually posted?

 

I believe that would be hard to do given the business model of big box stores. There used to be a time when customer service was stellar and customers were less likely to complain about everything. It's a much different world now. Even corporations don't really care about "making things right" for customers because they know they will still sell millions and make a profit in spite of losing a few here and there.

I was talking to my ex about this incident. Their company implemented a policy whereby employees CANNOT wear anything except a SOLID COLOR on their masks, no designs, emblems; not even the company logo. We had a laugh about it because they ordered masks to give to employees. What was on them? A geometric design. Oh, so the policy is, in fact, NO OTHER designs are acceptable? Got it. LOL

 

I have already replied to your posts to the best of my ability...but you keep adding stuff like....."No reasonable person could extract "offence" from my posts."
Nobody that I can see here...including me....is the least bit offended by your posts...including me.
Perhaps you are hearing these things from voices in your head.

 

Life gets complicated for your Human Resources Dept when you start allowing people to decide on their own what messages they want to send on company time, while representing the company. Depending on how strict they want to be about uniform and personal or political speech, each company can decide for itself where to draw the line. Maybe they don't want a 'BLM' mask, or a MAGA mask, or one with the Mexican flag to show up next week.

Its up to the employer to decide how much discretion to allow. Some will be more lenient allowing more individualist messaging, others more strict.

 

If only that were true but hey this is the real world.

 

I never claimed you were offended. I quoted the article to point out your false assertion that it was a safety issue. Other than being an example of why forums have an "ignore" feature, do you have anything to contribute to the discussion?

 

If the company has a uniform or clothing policy as the one described - that is different.

Share your feelings on how things used to be.

 

The company is well known and global. Some staff members wear uniforms but most do not. They have the polo shirts with the company logo for company outings but that's about it. I think the mask rules were put in place to avoid some of the backlash happening in other companies. I often wonder how history books will remember this pandemic.

I think we all feel a bit nostalgic about yesteryear especially when it seems like things are falling apart in the present day and age. I'm not so old to have forgotten, but not young enough to know everything. ;-0

 

History will remember this event - that is for sure. Like after 911 - things will never be the same - and while change is sometimes good - the changes due to 911 were not - and neither will the changes due to covid ... sans people observing a little better social hygiene - no licking the doors on public bathroom stalls - not coughing on people ..and so on.

The changes I worry about are those which have trampled on essential liberty on the basis of "Utilitarian" justification for law - "What will increase happiness for the collective" - with no regard for the rights of the individual.

A plague that was raging prior to Covid was the plague of "Fallacious Utilitarianism" - Law justified on the basis utilitarian principles - (which is flawed right from the get go as sole justification for any law - an anathema to the founding principles) - but in this case - it is not even a good/valid Utilitarian argument.

Things like Covid feed into this kind of thinking - unfortunately and shrewd politicians will take advantage of the ignorance of the masses to push through increases to Gov't power.

 

Sound like you put stock into a network that both you and them know truth is not required or verified. The adage "you sleep with dogs" rings true. I am not saying they're the only ones that do it, but they do it.

 

I know the difference between a "commentator" and a "reporter". A reporter has certain standards that they teach in journalism school that they use to expect them to adhere to. Commentators make commentary. They don't report. They offer "opinion" and are expected to offer a slanted point of view as that is what their job is. It's a shame that I even have to explain that.

 

In my opinion , much to my surprise and also the trouble with all the news outlets, is that the the majority are lawyers. Defense and prosecutor types.

 

It's a shame that, by your own admission, the Fox new channel delivers slanted information to their views but the "Fox new channel network website" has journalistic integrity. The website brands the "Fox News Channel" which makes it one in the same.