Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' movie assistant director admits to gun-safety mistakes, search warrant reveals

oh, so the instructor screws up, and the student is to blame in your eyes?

 

maybe, maybe not, it may take time for the air to enter the system, if what you said was true, cutting the break lines would be pointless as it would never cause a accident

 

How would "spinning the drum" insure that the gun wasn't loaded with live rounds?

 

Red herring.

Every mature adult in America knows that guns are inherently dangerous and I have no doubt that Alec is thoroughly familiar with the first rule of gun handling - treat all guns as if they are loaded - always. That rule was created to avoid events like Alec killing a mother trying to earn a living.

Alec got lazy and careless - not to mention cheap - and a mother paid for it.

 

Whe have I stated a personal opinion?

Once again the law does not have to make sense and I am not stating my opinion I am stating what the law says.

 

I was asking for your personal opinion, not asking for your legal advice

so you see it as wrong, but think the law would still blame the student, not the instructor, is that correct?

 

Every mature adult in America knows that cars are inherently dangerous

but if someone sabotages their car, they are not criminally liable, they are the victim

 

The law always blames the person holding the gun yes without exception. The other person may be an accomplice of some kind byut that is all. The fact that the student was given a gun they thought was unloaded might influence sentencing or whatever but that is all.

Personally yes I think the law should allow some leeway on these things but it does not. Unless of course one is a wealthy and famous elitist like Baldwin.

This is not an analogy but just an another example of how the law vieews these things. Someone is actively attempting to kill you. You defend yourself with a gun. The bullet you fire passes through the attackers body and strikes an innocent bystander who was behind the threat.

The law holds you rersponsible for that bystanders death just as much as if you aimed at that person. Personally I think thats a little nuts but that is how the law views it.

There are many ways i think the law should be adjusted and is too rigid but that is a seperate issue. If this were some obscure unknown actor in a stage play he would already be charged.

 

True but this was not sabotoge.

 

we do not know that yet

all we know is the gun was loaded with all blanks but one

 

Got a link to that?

 

ok, so we agree on a personal level, guess we see what the laws does then

 

it was one of the links in this tread I read, not sure which one

edit : found one

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alec-...ust-set-santa-fe-nm-sheriff-adan-mendoza-says

"After the shooting, Halls said they opened up the gun and found four dummy rounds and one spent live round."

 

Oh, you didn't hear, thats racist. I guess its better to have people shot on set than it is to disqualify someone for obvious reasons.

By the way, that snooty gun range wouldn't be the one in Las Vegas would it.

 

I would rather not say - you know how internet forums can be. It was 15-years ago in Arizona and I live in Texas now, thank God.

And I could care less about anyone's race - she looks like a moron that is desperate for attention. For me, how a person portrays them self to the world says everything about them.

 

I agree. If I am going to hire a weapons safety officer, he/she needs to look like a weapons safety officer. Not someone dealing with issues.

The range I went to in LV a few years back, is the snootiest place I have ever been. You hit the nail on the head when you made that comment.

 

Our justice system revolves around intent. One aspect of intent is negligence.

Another example:

In CT a trucking company improperly maintained their fleet of vehicles. In July of 2005 one of the trucks was travelling down Avon Mountain, lost control, plowed into an intersection, killed 5 people, and injured 23. The owner of the company was criminally charged. The driver of the vehicle was killed. It was proven in court that the driver knew of the poor maintenance issues with his truck and was operating the truck recklessly with this knowledge. Had he lived, should he also have been charged?

 

Maybe this incident will spur sympathy for gun banning?..People who're ignorant with guns usually want guns banned. Certainly, this incident will cause an increase in regulations during movie 'shoots'.

 

I remember hearing (I can't remember where) that guns were 'malfunctioning' on the set.

 

Depends on how you define sabotoged. I agree that people are taught that the person firing is responsible, but how many times have you handed a gun to someone who came with to just shoot a little, but they don't really know much about handling a gun, much less how to check it. Of course, those times the gun is usually fully loaded. That is the expectation. I know you're going to say never, but it happens a lot.
No Alec Baldwin fan here, but I doubt he will get any criminal charges on him. IMO, the gun handler should be the one who is most liable.
One report said that they had been live firing the same gun earlier in the day. That was a huge mistake, seems like when they readied it for actor use, they missed one. Unfortunately, the actor didn't.
We should also keep in mind the families of the victims

 

I would say yes, with a negligent homicide type of charge depending on the state laws.

 

whoever put the real bullet in the gun, brain was malfunctioning

 

at the very least, they could make special movie set guns that only took special blanks, real bullets would not ever fit or be able to fire in them or something

but yes, something needs to be done

 

I been to a few in Las Vegas - I know what you mean. Although, I will admit that supervising random tourists handling guns can be a challenge. After a while a person develops an instinct for who can follow safety instructions, and who could get someone killed, and they stay close to the morons, hoping to prevent a disaster.

 

The ONLY functioning brains in this whole fiasco were the ones who told their attached bodies to walk off the set over safety issues previous to this incident.