Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' movie assistant director admits to gun-safety mistakes, search warrant reveals

No one gives a **** about Trump and I REALLY wish you would stop bringing cheeto dick in to EVERY ****ING THREAD. I'm a libertarian for ****'s sake.

No, I'm talking about liability under criminal standards. Not checking a gun and then pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger establishes a depraved indifference to risk to human life. If YOU checked the gun and knew it was cold, fine. If you didn't, not fine. That's how every other shooting like this is handled. "I didn't know it was loaded" is not going to get you out of a manslaughter charge, guns are by definition dangerous instrumentalities and you have a duty to check before you play with it..

 

One of us is saying gun safety should be practiced at all times and one of us is saying it was ok to ignore gun safety practices in this situation even though it lead directly to someone's death.

But by all means keep telling me I'm wrong here....it makes you look brilliant.

Lol.... it's your EXACT argument. You're saying Baldwin shouldn't have to check.

You've literally argued exactly that.

 

I know personally where it has happened.

 

In the past when people die while making movies, it is the directors who face charges, since workplace safety is their responsibility. Some have been found guilty of negligent manslaughter, but I doubt it will be the case here.

It was supposed to be loaded with dummies, which look exactly like live rounds, which could be why the armorer didn't realize one was actually a live round. But then again, it was pretty much her job to realize it, and on top of that it was her who brought the live rounds there in the first place, and it was to help her pass the time by shooting targets.

 

You completely missed my point.

 

Yup it absolutely should be.

I'm also not letting him off the hook either. I'm just waiting to see where the responsibility lies.

It sounds like they were rehearsing and setting up the shot and angle and Alec was doing dry runs holding the gun. That's not out of the ordinary.

But again...it could also very well be the case that he was responsible as a producer and an actor to also check the gun before handling it

Again. I don't know. I'm not a fan of Alec but this story has no business turning into a political one.

 

Its political and about Trump to YOU, because everything is political and about Trump to you.

 

And I know personally where I was told you can't do it. It probably depends on the type of settlement.

 

A producer is a person who finds funding, hires director and gets the ball rolling, while the director is in charge of everyday business. In the past when people have died while shooting movies, they have gone after the director. IN one instance when an actress was killed by a train, the director was found guilty of negligent manslaughter. Maybe they'll go after the producer this time, - who knows.

 

Because you seem to be saying that what Chauvin did couldn't have killed him, yet he was still dead when the Ambulance arrived.

 

Scratch a "libertarian" and you get a hard-shell conservative most times. Often very interested in protecting my freedom to starve to death but more concerned about the fetus in my wife's womb than in my wife

I will bow to your obvious greater knowledge in these matters. You must get a lot of these in your court.

 

How the hell is this political? Other than you hating Baldwin because he mocked dirty donny?

 

last I checked, Trump was planning to run in 2024, am I wrong? he is already campaigning.....

 

“I didn’t know it was loaded” is a lot different from “It is my job to point fake and unloaded guns at people and cameras, and pull the trigger. I was told it wasn’t loaded by the specialist we hire specifically to ensure that the guns and replicas we use are safe.”

Im not saying it absolves him of all responsibility, but this is a very different scenario than someone who picks up a gun and “doesn’t know”.

 

I dunno. He hasn't officially said so one way or another. Probably because it's 2021.

 

he has already been campaigning and came up with slogans for 2024

even though it's only 2021

 

Lolwut?
WHY would I "block" it?

I am in favor of a full investigation, wherever it may lead.
IF it leads to a criminal prosecution, so be it.

And, I had ALREADY Reiterated that stance.
More than once.

Once again, you are back to making no sense.

 

No kidding.
And, those points have ALREADY made multiple times in this thread.
So, for the umpteenth time, here we go again:

Obviously, the Civil Case will involve any actionable party.
Up to and including Baldwin, the person in control of the set on that day, anybody on the crew who was involved in the chain of custody before Baldwin got the weapon, and the Production Company.

As far as possible Criminal charges?

Here this is (again) in case you missed it:

Will Alec Baldwin be criminally charged?
Though Baldwin fired the gun resulting in Hutchins' death and Souza's injury, it's unlikely the "30 Rock" alum will face criminal charges, especially if he didn't know the firearm contained live ammunition, says Neama Rahmani, a former federal prosecutor who co-founded the Los Angeles personal injury firm West Coast Trial Lawyers.

Will anyone be criminally charged?
There are criminal issues outside of who discharged the weapon, Rahmani says.

According to an affidavit obtained by USA TODAY, several crew members handled the firearm before it was handed to Baldwin and deemed a "cold gun," or a weapon without live ammo that was safe to use.

"Assuming it was just incompetence or a colossal mistake, that rises to the level of criminal negligence, which would be sufficient for a manslaughter prosecution," Rahmani says. He added that if charges are brought, the person who loaded the gun could be prosecuted, as well as anyone who knew the gun contained live ammo

 

Hey I like trump and would vote for him again if he did run. But you seem to know more about him than I do.

You sound like a super Fan?

I'm more focused on this current administration which is actually in power and which is ****ing things up stead fast since they got that power.


That's where my attention is at.

 

I don't know where responsibility lies. I think I made that clear. Alec is ****ed. He gets to enjoy the memory of killing someone accidently or through negligence. Guilty. Not guilty. Doesn't matter much in this case.

Me thinks he's likely retired now at best.

 

Trump is a threat to democracy imo, I would never vote for him

 

We are kind of under authoritarian law atm. And you are worried about mean tweets still...lol

 

You can't tell me that you're surprised by this. Word on the street, all those in that circle are high most of the time.

 

It's not his fault. He has pathological liar, worthless, PITA in his DNA on his daddy's side.

 

mean tweets and big lies that divide the nation

were in the middle of a pandemic, yes, Trump said we were at war against a invisible enemy, the virus, and we are all soldier in that war

Trump called himself a wartime President, guess that makes Biden one too