American propaganda. The Cold War.

Even now, the U.S. propaganda machine of Goebbels running at full speed.
Looking at U.S. foreign policy, I could not otherwise say.
The Iran-more than enough, as an example ..

 

The US has no propaganda machine. The US government has no control over what the media says or doesnt say. The US government is in fact criticized by the media (both right and left) almost constantly.

Um..how so? The media both supports and opposes an invasion of Iran. Depending on what channel you are watching.

We have access to all sources. That is what makes it reliable. The state does not tell us what sources we are allowed to view, or what reporters are allowed to report. By default, ALL information must be made public. The state has to specifically justify to the people what information cannot be shared and why. And even secret information must be shared eventually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States)

 

How is that more fair to the people who do not agree with popular opinion? Putting it under state control means that the administrators' interests are what is presented.

The fact that you are required to read between the lines is what indicates that you do not have a free press.

Exactly...reflects. The State does not dictate what the media reports. The media does not answer to the state. That is why the media is free.

 

Then why all of you are so brainwashed?

 

Russia...what you going to do...what you going to do when we come for you? Haha. Let's have have a shot of Stoli together.

 

it works very well in the US.

so well, you don't even notice it.

 

You'll freeze off the balls here,sir.The evil Russians will rape you.And you'll finish your life in Gulag.Don't go for a walk to Russia,I repeat.

 

If The Us Has A Free Media, Can You Explain To Me Why Cpl Bradley Manning Has To Be Court Martialed For Providing Videos Of Us War Crimes Against Civilians In Iraq??????? In The Name Of National Security???????


Thats Not Free Media In The Us ????

 

this aint the time of stalin anymore

 

But Clinton did not agree with you, and requires more attention to propaganda.

Clinton on Propaganda Budget: U.S. Losing "Information War"

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...propaganda-budget-us-losing-qinformation-warq

 

I grew up during the cold war.

now I know that much of what we were told about "the communists" and the USSR were lies.

the propaganda was very effective, and most people believed it at the time.

the USSR wasn't perfect - far from it, but it was painted as far worse and far more oppressive than what it was.

it may have been like that during stalin's time, but regardless, a lot of the hardship the Russian people endured during that period was the legacy of the war, and the privations suffered because of that.

in addition, there was rapid development taking place - which really only could take place on such a large scale with a central planned system.

if you look at what was achieved during that period, it is really quite amazing.

 

I also grew up during the Cold War. But in the Soviet Union the doctrine of hysterical fear of war was absent .
Now, the USSR does not exist, and the Cold War turned into a slowly smolder global military conflict. Who won when the USSR collapsed? No one.
The imperialists are maddened from a sudden freedom will ultimately can make a real global war in which there will not be a winner.
But while Russian plutonium not rusted, will not be a big war. I think so.

 

This situation was more honest because there was no illusion of freedom of mass-media. Everyone understood there is a propaganda bias and learned to think by a head, not taking everything on belief like you do.

And vaccinated us against lie, while you have no such vaccination.

There are soft, hidden forms of dictatorship. Formally the mass-media are free, de facto they belong to elite of a society which creates a state policy. Though these elitists even may have no formal state posts. They creates a state policy anyway.

 

McNight (2010) identifies four characteristics of his media operations: free market ideology; unified positions on matters of public policy; global editorial meetings; and opposition to a perceived liberal bias in other public media.
On 8 May 2006, the Financial Times reported that Murdoch would be hosting a fund-raiser for Senator Hillary Clinton's (D-New York) Senate re-election campaign.In a 2008 interview with Walt Mossberg, Murdoch was asked whether he had "anything to do with the New York Post's endorsement of Barack Obama in the democratic primaries." Without hesitating, Murdoch replied, "Yeah. He is a rock star. It's fantastic. I love what he is saying about education. I don't think he will win Florida... but he will win in Ohio and the election. I am anxious to meet him. I want to see if he will walk the walk." Murdoch is a strong supporter of Israel and its domestic policies.
In 2010 News Corporation gave $1 million to the Republican Governors Association and $1 million to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
Murdoch also served on the board of directors of the libertarian Cato Institute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

This man is just a god for those who strongly believes in freedom of speech in the U.S.A .

 

I forgot to mention that is no corruption in the United States "In 2010 News Corporation gave $1 million to the Republican Governors Association and $1 million to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.In 2010 News Corporation gave $1 million to the Republican Governors Association and $1 million to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce." sorry.

 

exactly ...

and how much of it was really true?

not much from what I can tell, it was all a deliberate propaganda campaign.

 

I'm going to have to start treating Aussie tourists the way I treat British tourists. I ruin their visits.

 

which hs nothig to do with the topic of this thread.

or maybe it does.

maybe its indicative of the mindset that bneeded to demonise the soviets.

I have a friend who, like Evil Aztec grew up during the cold war in the Soviet Union. her experiences are pretty much the same as his.

the cold war propaganda was much stronger on our side of the fence ... the lives of soviet citizens were painted as bleak - most likely as a "reminder" to the workers what might eventuate if they pushed too hard for worker's rights.

having said that I know for a fact that in Australia our workers had much better conditions than did the soviets during the 50's - but this was due to our own labour history, (Mark Twain called australia a working man's paradise - and we were early in achieving many of the successes of the labour movement)

educationally, you can see that the soviet education system achieved a pretty universal policy of no child left behind ... and while I am sure that someone such as yourself might say well there were no blacks and no hispanics, the USSR was a diverse mix of people. the basis for the success of soviet education was the commitment to ensuring that EVERY CHILD had the opportunity to reach his or her full potential. the education system, based on the theory of Anton Makarenko, emphasised cooperation, and responsibility - rather than competition.

as a result of this, and the respect given to women - including the recognition of the women for the important role they played in wartime - girls were far more likely to achieve well in higher education, and take up positions as scientists and doctors.

its no surprise that International Women's day is more imprtant on former societ states than it is in western states.

I am not particularly pro soviet - I think there were a lot of things they did really badly, but seriously Albert, all the big bad communist stories we grew up with have about as much validity of the tale of Jack and the beanstalk.

stories to scare children.

 

Have you read anything by Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn? Familiarize yourself with his works and get back to me.

I live in one of the most beautiful places on earth with a mediterranean climate. It attracts tourists from all over the world.

When I detect the offensive sound of a British accent I wander up to them and engage them in pleasantries...until I ask if they are familiar with the brutality and inhumanity of the British over the course of eight hundred years in Ireland. They are always shocked when I spring this on them. They hem and haw for lack of worlds. Then I tell them the story of the Gallaghers, McCaffertys and Meehans over the course of centuries under British oppression. I tell them of the murders, rapes, dispossessions, torture and robbery. I tell them that they are still responsible for the actions of their ancestors, and that they need to pay reparations to the Irish people. I tell them that there is no statute of limitations or doctrine of laches which would bar the claim. By this point in time they are backing away from me. I follow them so the conversation goes on and on as they flee. As we part I tell them that they are not welcome in North America.

From now on I'll look for Aussie tourists too. We'll discuss the aborigines and Aussie racism. I credit you with giving me the idea.

 

I don't think you're pro-Soviet. I think you are unrelently anti-American. I believe your sole purpose in coming to an American forum is to get in our faces and insult us. I am not alone in holding these views. There is a consensus.

 

yes.

but how much of that is talking about the lives of ordinary soviet citizens during "the cold war"?

same.

most americans I meet here - and elsewhere -would be embarrassed to know that their countrymen behave that way.

I know I am when my countrymen behave disgustingly towards american tourists whose only "crime" is that the are american.

your rudeness is your own personal trait.

don't bring me into it.

 

whatever.

a consensus of small minded bigots isn't worth spitting on.

 

Small minded we may be, but your intellectual superiors we also be.

Think of us as Aussie cattle dogs rounding up the bovine herd.

 

I have seen no evidence to support that contention.

most of the right wing reactionaries on this forum (I refuse to refer to them as conservatives, because to do so is an insult to conservatives) are clearly poorly educated, lack critical thinking and analytical skills, and if they are superior in any way, it is only in their capacity for rudeness and trolling.

but this thread is not about australia - although Australia certainly bought into the cold war mentality ... we had the petrov affair, supported the US in its anti communist escapades, and a lot of the anti soviet propaganda I was exposed to as a young adult was home grown.

but albert - if you are going to continue trolling I will put you on ignore. at present you appear to be stalking me and tryingto refocus any discussion I am engaging in to make me or my nationality the focus.

thats just trolling, and suggests that you have personal issues.

you should deal with them in a more fitting environment.