And here is the smoking gun in the newly released unsealed indictment

Not a merit worthy counter argument---response lacks critical analysis, makes sweeping assumptions not rooted in reality and in the complexities surrounding each example.

 

They will try and remove her, this is certain, but she is in the driver's seat and I doubt she has enough integrity to recuse herself, as she should do, given her reprimand by her peers.

What I fear, and will probably happen, Trump's attorneys will try ever trick in the book to delay the process and run out the clock (in the hopes he will win the election) and she will allow them to get away with it, because, as history has proven, she is in the tank for the guy who appointed her to the bench.

But, there is stlll trials in GA, Washington DC and NY to come. So, if Fla doesn't do the trick, the others will, in my view.

 

If the Republicans nominate anyone but Trump, they win. If they nominate Trump, they lose.

 

Now, let's review the facts, sans hyperbole and rant language.

During his campaign before the 2016 election, Trump said:

“In my administration, I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law.”

"We can't have someone in the Oval Office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified."

After he left office, at Mar A Lago Trump admitted that he had documents he didn't classify, and admitted they were secret to persons
without security clearances.

He expressed to his lawyer 'wouldn't it be better if we told them there were no documents?'.

Trump obstructed the govts efforts to retrieve national defense top secret documents.

He hid them from the FBI and his own lawyers.

They were placed in restrooms, shower stalls, open ballrooms and storage rooms.

Over 150 weddings and events have been held ad Mar A Lago since Trump left office.

He revealed them to persons without security clearances.

The indictment, in excruciating detail, reveals the criminal disregard for security the nation's secrets.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf

Such are the aggravated circumstances relating to national defense documents which is the DOJ's policy
is to prosecute.

Neither Pence nor Biden did this. As long as Senators and Exec branch personnel with documents cooperate fully with the govt for their return, DOJ's policy is that they will be given the benefit of the doubt that they were acquired inadvertently. It would require aggravated circumstances to warrant prosecution, as is the case with Trump.

Any other person who committed the aggravated acts Trump committed would have been arrested, booked, tried, convicted and incarcerated.

Reality winner got 5 years for just revealing to the public just one document.

We cannot have a commander in chief violating the Espionage Act with the kind of aggravated circumstances that have been committed by Trump.

 

No court in America ever comes to a finding of "innocent". The verdicts in a criminal court are either "guilty" or "not guilty". And Trump, after the Mueller Report, the Steele Dossier, two impeachments and jan 6 has NEVER... NEVER received a "guilty" verdict... just "not guilty". Spin that all you want, but the fact is that Trump has been accused over and over and over by folks that hate him for various reasons but the end is always the same... "NOT GUILTY" in every criminal court he has ever appeared before.

Tweets/... LOLOL

 

The endless silliness of accusing Trump over and over and over and over without a single guilty verdict in any criminal court...is the situation unworthy of "merit"

 

You missed the point, entirely.

Irrelevant.

 

Logical fallacy.

Trump is under indictment based on facts.

Read the indictment.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf

That indictment has merit,

"If half of it is true, then Trump is toast' ---Bill Barr.

https://nypost.com/2023/06/11/trump-is-toast-in-classified-documents-case-ex-ag-bill-barr/

 

You said courts could have a finding of "Innocent". I said that's not true. "Not Guilty" can oftem mean "not enough evidence". That doesn't mean innocent... just "not guilty".
That makes the comment TOTALLY RELEVANT.

 

Here in America all citizens are "innocent until found guilty in a court of law". An indictment simply means there is enough evidence to go to trial. IT IS NOT A CONVICTION. No judge decreed a conviction... no jury heard and evaluated the facts. No judge declared an outcome. An indictment simply establishes that there is enough evidence to warrant a trial. It is NOT a CONVICTION.

 

Oh FFS, 'innocent' or 'not guilty', I'm not a legal secretary and it's close enough for this forum since it's not the main point.

You missed the point entirely. .

 

In a court of law.

Why? Because in a court of law, one's liberty is at stake.

Now then.....

Are we in a court of law?

No.

This is the court of public opinion, and in THAT court, no one's liberty is at stake, which is precisely why Bill Barr, myself, and others, express our opinion that, with all the damning evidence in the indictment, TRUMP IS TOAST.

 

No criminal court in the land has ever found "innocent". Its "guilty" or "not guilty" in every case. Spin all you want... it doesn't change.

 

Oh... your OPINION... fine... everyone has one, you know, like a-holes

 

Why are they trying to prosecute under the Espionage Act?

 

And after he's done we can do Biden, Hillary, and numerous others. Its going to be glorious.

 

It is arguable that the mere act of taking it into his position is sufficient to declassify it.

 

Like I said, you missed the point and your point is pettifogging the point made.

Moving on.

 

Well, unlike your ******, we have a TON of evidence on Trump, so it's a well founded OPINION.

 

Read the act, and all it's sections, and you will understand. Some of the act has to do with the mishandling of sensitive documents, obstruction, lying, etc.
I know the act sounds very 'spy-ish' but that's only part of it.

 

Hillary is a dead horse. I see no evidence of any wrongdoing by Biden.

If you have it, I'd like to see it.

 

It's not only arguable, it's absurd. I mean, a President, as president, I suppose he could, but it would be reckless not memorializing the declassification, and if the damage assessments are severe, the backlash for doing it will be severe, as it should be.

 

I don't know what country you are posting rom, but here in America we are all INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW. Its a much better system than yours that doesn't require law, courts, juries and all the rest. That leads to vigilantes and the execution of innocent people.

 

He was still president when he was packing.

 

@Patricio Da Silva

""We cannot have a commander in chief violating the Espionage Act""

Prove it... prove Trump violated the espionage act.