Angela Merkel's German government facing collapse over her immigration policy

You got nothing. Your propaganda version of history is false. Deal with it.

 

Here is my source, it has dozens of sources listed below as to where the #'s were gained.

To blame Syria on the US is disingenuous at best and we LITERALLY used the same link/site to prove our point, that shows just how insanely convoluted the entire thing is and I completely disagree with your anti-American statement.

But this brings up an interesting point...

You JUST had a discussion with me about how the US needs to go and be involved in Yemen, do you not see how hypocritical that is?

 

My argument stands. You didn't refute one word of it because you can't refute it. It's entirely factual and logical.

 

It only stands in your mind, son.

 

The US government has been pursuing "regime change" in Syria since at least 2006. The State Department and the CIA have been providing critical support to "rebel" groups in Syria for years. Your attempt to deny these facts is what's disingenuous.

I never said the US needs to intervene in Yemen. The US is ALREADY intervening in Yemen.

 

It stands in this thread. You cannot refute it because it's entirely factual and logical. You got nothing, old man.

 

No, Saudi Arabia is intervening in Yemen. Yes we have special forces there, but we have special forces all over the place.

If you think Syria is all about America then I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree. There are so many nations and groups and ideals in there that to try to pin it on the US is laughable at best.

 

The US is intervening in Yemen. They are providing critical support to Saudi operations. This is public knowledge.

I never said Syria was "all about America". I said the US government has been actively pursuing regime change in Syria since 2006. I also said the US government has been providing critical support to "rebel" groups within Syria. Those are facts. There is nothing to disagree about.

 

Ugh, ok, you are going to dig your heels in. Got it.

You basically disagree with American policy and think America is evil unless they do what you say. It is a common thing to hear in the traiblistic times we live in.

 

The US has intervened in both Yemen and Syria. And US intervention in those countries has contributed greatly to the European refugee crisis. Those are just facts.

 

No it don't and you haven't shown otherwise. You don't understand anything you read. You may think its a good idea to let the Hitler's of the world eat everyone else before they get to you but then you will be alone and they will have you for dessert.
Heed the words of Niemoller who, unlike you, knew the truth:

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

 

One lesson that the post-World War II world, Capitalist, Communist, and Socialist learned is that children are EXPENSIVE!

 

I have understood that the AfD was mostly an "East Germany" phenomenon, with most of the support oriented around Dresden...(?). Oh, I'm sure that ALL Germans are sick and damned tired of this big influx of "immigrants" into Germany. They're sick of it in Köln; they're sick of it in München, and I know they're puking sick of it in North Germany, too.

I have fantasies of angry German mobs smashing down the doors of the European Central Bank in Frankfurt, chanting, "NO MORE NAZI-GUILT!"

Merkel? She might be happier and feel more at home if she were to go live in Africa, or in Syria....

 

LOL... you probably mean Lebensraum, not Lebenstraum = life's dream!
Well, I'm not sure how bad it was before WWI, but afterwards the Germans suffered severely.
People were starving!
About Hitler I know that he had no wish nor desire nor need for a world war. He said so himself that he wasn't ready, he would at least need another four years. He said he had still much to do inside Germany, there was no time for war.
The attack on Poland was only to settle a neighborly nastiness = harassing, plundering and killing the ethnic German population left behind in the land given to Poland in Versailles. For some reason, the Polish leadership hated the Germans already for centuries.

Yes, that is true. I have heard from German soldiers how the Russian peasants lived in huts made out of cow dung and clay! How they would all sleep on top of the big stove to keep warm. How livestock shared the living spaces with the people. How there were hardly any solid roads, just mud.
BUT... the people were kind and friendly to the German soldiers. One soldier, who had lost his cap, was given the wool hat from a Russian boy, whose mother took it off his head and gave it to this particular soldier.
This soldier survived the war and told this story at home to his parents. I am glad I can pass it on here in America!! Despite the brutality of the Red Army later in Germany, I will always remember this kind gesture of a Russian mother.
So, culture east of Germany was a shock to the Germans.

So? That is understandable. But how true is it? This American Ambassador certainly wouldn't praise Hitler!!

I doubt Germany was over populated before the war. Millions had perished after WWI, and wasn't there an influenza as well that killed many people? And before that the black plague wiped out whole areas in Europe. True is, that Hitler encouraged his Volk to multiply. Starting in 1938, Hitler honored the German mothers who bore and raised children with the "Mother's Cross".
Depending on how many children they had, they were given the cross in bronze, silver and gold. Here is a picture...

Dear Jeannette, in those days the people had no idea how to prevent a pregnancy. A Mom and Dad had up to 10 and 12 children!!! Often half of them got wiped out through illness, like tuberculosis. Life was much more fragile in those days. I cannot see that Germany was overpopulated before the war and had to steal land for its citizen. No, not to my knowledge. Google says there was a total population of about 62 million before the war. Compare that with the present much smaller Germany of over 80 million!! NOW Germany is crowded!!
Of course, AFTER WWII it was different. West-Germany had to absorb all the refugees from the East. People were housed in every nook, barn, school, hen house and shed!!
True, a lot of the Germans emigrated to the US and Canada and South America.

I think you are making things up or are repeating propaganda about how greedy the Germans were and are! As I said before, all we wanted was to get back the lands that originally belonged to Germany.

Are you sure there is oil in Stalingrad? I thought the oil was in the Caucasus.
No, Hitler wanted Stalingrad taken so he could continue further to the south and wouldn't have to worry of having the Russians fall into his back, but also because this was Stalin's city, it had a special meaning to capture this city. Apparently, Stalin felt the same and ordered his army... not one step back!
There is no talk of oil wells to be defended.

Again, this nasty undertone of yours! The German soldiers did not send food from the Russians home! The Russians had nothing! Period! The German soldiers were happy to receive small packages with food from back home!!!
German POWs in Siberia starved! A 1945 returning POW would say, he couldn't blame the Russians, because "sie hatten selber nichts zu fressen!!" ... they themselves had nothing to eat. Cabbage soup and black sticky bread was the daily fare in the camps.

Yes, and that is our trouble at this time, we have to believe what someone tells us firsthand or what someone writes as an estimated guess.
Truth is that the US, and I believe Canada as well, delivered massive war material AND food to the Russians.

Aber wahrscheinlich wäre die Sowjetunion, auf sich alleine gestellt, der Herausforderung nicht gewachsen gewesen. Die Allierten, insbesondere natürlich die USA, lieferten z.B. über 50 % des gesamten Kriegsbedarfs der Sowjetunion an Sprengstoffen, Flugbenzin, Kupfer, Aluminium und Gummireifen, 30 % aller Militärfahrzeuge, 2000 Lokomotiven, über 11000 Güterwaggons und riesige Mengen an Lebensmitteln.

Übrigens, Stalin schloß noch vor Kriegsbeginn einen Nichtangriffsvertrag mit Japan, das mit dem Deutschen Reich verbündet war. Dieser Vertrag wurde von Japan eingehalten. Somit konnte die Sowjetunion einen Zweifrontenkrieg vermeiden und sämtliche verfügbaren Soldaten und Waffen an eine Front werfen. Auch die Hilfslieferungen der USA an Rußland über den Nordpazifik und Sibirien wurden von den Japanern während des gesamten Krieges kaum behindert.

 

'contributed'? caused, more like! But the UK was equally responsible for it.

 

Because UK and France were allied with Poland and gave them a guarantee to help them if being attacked by Hitler?
This is the thing with alliances ...

 

Merkel (and her central-banker overlords in Frankfurt) is getting desperate... now she's going to shift strategy from having Germany tell everyone else in the EU what to do regarding 'migrants', and instead, start trying to deal with each country on an individual basis. Ha! An exercise in HERDING CATS!

And you can bet that as Germany tries to negotiate with each individual 'cat', they'll be met with demands for even MORE euros that Germany must pay because of even MORE 'Nazi-crimes', real and imagined, from over 72 years ago!

Here's an example of only the latest such demand (they've popped up periodically through many years, even before this 'migrant' mess erupted recently): https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/937832/Germany-war-reparations-how-much-Poland-WW2

. "Did you ever wonder why WE don't have a 'migrant' problem...?"

 

Aha. You do it. We don't. You kill local population, we develop them to our level. That's a difference between Russians and Western world. That's a reason Russian state lives longer than any Western state. If a state begins to kill somebody then next the state begins to kill itself. Now America kills itself.

Like Ancient Greeks

I am saying about a state, not about people. The Greek state is very young.It was established at 1830. Byzantium was a polyethnic state (like Russia). When they began to split into nations, they was destroyed.

I think you have mistaken Indian population was a great that time. About 100000000.

Aha. Thus native population of Russia had immunity I think Japan population had no immunity against nuke too. By the way, that do you think about propaganda? About American propaganda

... or they were killed. Most of them. Why do you deny well known facts? Spaniards never did that. They just killed native Americans without any propaganda. They are very honest persons.

 

An American says about the propaganda version of history is false. Bravo! By the way, what is your education?

 

After the US, Germany had the best conditions for growing crops. As an example, with the same machinery, Russia was only able to produce 1/3 of the amount of Germany due to its climate. Other than Germany having to pay off the ridiculous loans for WWI, I came across something which stated that the Great Depression was probably caused by the crop failure in Germany. If so, then there had to have been some kind of climate change since it was around that time that Russia suffered a famine that led to the holodymir in Ukraine, and we had our dust storms in our midwest - which led to the mass migration to California.

There are a lot of historical memories and animosities in Eastern Europe over national boundaries, so creating ethnic enclaves with national borders was not too smart an idea. Of course there are psychopaths who will do it for their own interests, otherwise we wouldn't have broken up Yugoslavia, as well as help the terrorists in Syria so it could be Balkanized into separate ethnicities and faiths.

Don't be too critical. Russia is enormous, and paving the roads is still a problem. I read that before the 1800's the British were still living in mud huts, and the Irish lived in holes in the ground after being kicked off the land by the nobility. As for wood burning stoves to heat homes, there was a big rush in rural America to find them during the oil embargo of the 70's. Having live stock on the first floor was also a means to keep homes warm.

But look, I can understand how the Germans felt towards those who had other standards, and it wasn't just the Germans, this concept of cultural superiority which extended into racism was common in Europe from the time of the Enlightenment. It's just that Hitler made racism a government policy, while Britain and France didn't.

The ambassador's book was only about WWI, and he probably helped turn the American people against the Germans and enter the war on the side of the British. Something that was not easy since the Germans were a large segment of the American population, and the Irish hated the British as well. The sinking of the Lusitania and the deaths of Americans was no doubt contrived by Churchill and Roosevelt, since Churchill was in charge of the British Admiralty, and Roosevelt was the head of our Navy. The Lusitania was packed with explosives and the people were warned by the Germans not to sail on it.

I have no animosity towards the Germans, actually I'm very understanding of them. My fathers family lived in Sheboygan which was a lovely German town, and they were going to kick out all the Greeks - and frankly I don't blame them since they were from the mountains and were always fighting. My uncle decided to order 2,000 rifles and when the government found out, that was the end of that. The Greeks from that part of Greece happen to be very bright, and their children became highly educated and that changed the attitude of the Germans.

My brother in law grew up in a 32 room mansion because his ethnic German parents had 11 kids. Of course they were able to afford it, while others I know had much less children - yet the German population was always enormous - even with all the deaths. I don't think there is anyone in this world that doesn't have some German blood. I once read that after the 30 year war the population of Germany had dwindled to less than 1 hundred thousand, and in a few centuries it was millions.

I don't see the Germans as being greedy - anything but. How can you be greedy and yet be community minded - which is part of the Germanic cultures in contrast to the Mediterranean people who are very individual minded? I think you are being a little paranoid. I personally look very German, and when they speak to me and find out I'm Greek they pull back, as if I'm going to have some kind of animosity towards them. Why? I don't know of any Greeks that hate Germans, although they are mad over what Merkel did to them.

Anyway Germany is finally opening up their records on what they did in Greece during WWII - and it is shocking. But they were just following orders.

I checked into it to make sure I was right before I wrote it. Stalingrad does have oil well, and I know Hitler wanted Romania on its side because of the oil - so its a natural assumption on my part..

I know there was a blockade on Leningrad, and it's assumed now that the death toll from famine might have been close to 1 1/2 million, since it included the Russians trying to escape the German advance. I have to believe the food was sent to Germany as well as feed the German army since it happened in Greece. I believe 7 hundred thousand died from famine, which would have been about 1/10th of the population. I know my relatives on the island of Chios had to walk to the peasant villages and sell their goods to get food.

The only ones allowed to fish, or who were given jobs so they could eat, were those who had it good with the Germans. Oddly enough they were fair and looked German.

What you wrote below is a lie since jets didn't exist, and the Soviet Union had all the oil, copper and other natural resources it would need. They also had 35 thousand tanks, which were superior to the German ones.

According to Churchill's biography, he asked Roosevelt to start a lend lease with Russia to save the people in Leningrad who were starving under the blockade. What they needed was food - but in order to get the food to the people they needed trucks as well. The American ships would land in Vladisvostok or Iran, and the Russians would jump into the trucks and drive the thousands of miles to Leningrad.

 

The migrants work in Russia and then return to their own country. They have strict laws, otherwise there would be no Russian Federation. The Republics are Muslim majority, and are quite satisfied with Russia. Wouldn't you be?

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I'm happy for the migrants who work in Russia. I'm happy for the Russians. I'm glad that everyone there has a situation that they believe is workable and fair, in accordance with the laws of the Russian Federation. I only wish that we could adopt a system that works that well here in the U. S., but, that is probably expecting too much....

 

The situation is different between Russia and the US. In the Russian Federation the Muslims are living in their own territories. Putin said it was a tough decision when he turned them into Republics and gave them a great amount of autonomy, but it is holding the Federation together. According to Kadyrov, his father or uncle was the Mufti, and he wanted to make peace with Russia. Putin was the only one with the courage to meet and trust the mufti. That's when Kadyrov's relationship with Putin started.

When Putin told Poroshenko that he should federalize to keep Ukraine together, since it too consists of different languages and groups, Poroshenko poohed, poohed it, and said they do not take suggestions from Russians. The migrants though are not Russian citizens, and most are from Russia's southern flanks. They have a workable solution, and also a military one as well - since they are under threat from outside forces.

 

I post facts and logic and you reply with a poem.

Yea, that seems about right.