Arctic Has Gained Hundreds Of Miles Of Ice The Last Three Years

it has been decreasing significantly for decades

 

So? You seem to think that is abnormal during the speck of time we have actually recorded it. The Arctic has been ice free before, how do you explain that?

 

Thats alot of work when the words "we dont know" would have sufficed. You have no idea how much CO2 for example is supposeed to be in the atmosphere, as called. This wall of fluff was supposed to hide the fact that the answer wasnt available.

If you dont know how much is supposed to be there..IE a norm...youc annot claim we have too much, or see a problem. This relagates any idea of "fixing" it to pure fantasy. What number do you need to reach to know we've "fixed" it? LOL....infancy of a science.

We are amazing people. Someday we WILL understand all of this...but until we can reach and study another planet such as ours and formulate what norms are...we have no real clue.

 

Sorry, not going to work. Not only is it related..it is fundamental to your cause that you should know!!!! Baseline norms are a fundamental part of any science. If you do not know what a Healthy Environment consists of, how on Earth can you possibly tell us we have moved past the healthy line??

Ive said it before, but here it is again. What you are doing is the equivalent of watching a persons temperature go from 98.8 to 99.1 and claiming we have a problem that needs to be fixed, so you want to rush him to the ER for treatment......all without knowing that a normal human body temperature fluctuates and the baseline is 98.6.


"Experts" lol.....

You cant, as called. Your science is garbage in this field.

Thansk to you and Dujac for proving exactly what I said. You and our Science have no idea at the present time what is normal and what is not. You dont have the numbers of a baseline norm, and as such any observations you may make are meaningless.

 

except that we do know, you're just denying science

 

You had the opportunity to show that you knew. You had the opportunity to show that science knows. You couldnt answer the question, and threw up a wall of junk to try and hide it...but in the end, you dont have any hard numbers, and how could you. We havent set foot on another planet like ours, much less study them.


Any science without controls to compare to , or knowledge of the baseline norm is guesswork at best....conscious agenda at worst.

 

i demonstrated that co2 is fueling agw, you denied the science

it's obviously you that doesn't know

 

Sorry Dujac.
You were exposed, as were the other AGW cultists.

You dont know how much CO2 is supposed to be in an atmosphere. I gave you an easy question, which you HAVE to know to be able to tell us we've moved past that healthy line...and I gave you all night to answer.

You couldnt. Your agenda is a sham, and anyone believeing in it is naive. Sorry that it hurts to be shown this, but a back and forth of "no you" isnt going to change it.

I gave you all night to come up with the answer to the most basic question on this. one that HAS to be known....and you couldnt.


Quite simply, without knowing the baseline norm, you cant tell when there is a problem. Fundamental of science.

 

what a joke

 

Sorry you dont respect, or even understand how "science" actually works. Just a buzzphrase for you.

 

you can't seem to get anything right

 

Haha...says the guy who cant tell me how much C02 should be in a Healthy Atmosphere...but has no hesitation telling us all we need to lower the levels. To what exactly? noone knows. How will we know when we get there? Obviously we wont...this is going to be an economic platform installed..... forever.

Anyway, you've got nothing and I'll bow out of this thread now. Not interested in anymore of the "no you" routine from you.

Good day Dujac.

 

try reading what i posted

sure you will

 

Arctic Has Gained Hundreds Of Miles Of Ice The Last Three Years

and lost ice over the previous 34.

 

And so it goes up and down just as it always has and always will

 

no, the trend is down.

at an alarming rate

 

Only in the Arctic, globally it is at the mean since recording started in the 70's. Planning now for what may never happen is a foolish waste of time, like when the Colorado river damming was planned long before they knew that the Southwest had been drying out long before man landed on the Continent then found there was not enough water based on those plans.

 

science says you're wrong again

"Rising temperatures across the U.S. have reduced lake ice, sea ice, glaciers, and seasonal snow cover over the last few decades. In the Great Lakes, for example, total winter ice coverage has decreased by 63% since the early 1970s. This includes the entire period since satellite data became available."

http://nca2014.globalchange.gov/report/our-changing-climate/melting-ice

 

The Arctic is not ice free, and Fla is not under water. Kinda makes you wonder if Al Gore invented the internet doesnt it????

 

Of course the paper that the lake ice was based on was written before the massive ice growth we recently had on the Great Lakes. See, that is how you end up with a skewed view of climate change by relying on old alarmist data.

 

Certainly. Because global warming only affects the Arctic ........... Hahahahahahahahaha

 

While the Antarctic has gained over the previous 34. So we have selective global warming, and selective global cooling .....

 

i'm talking about longterm trends, not snapshots

 

no, it has not.

 

satellites and climate scientists say it's lost ice



NEWS: Climate Change September 09, 2015

Arctic sea ice nearing annual minimum extent: data centre

September minimum likely to come in as fourth lowest since 1978



If you live near Baffin Bay or Hudson Bay, you might have trouble accepting the forecasts showing that this year’s minimum sea ice extent, which typically occurs in mid to late September, is likely to come in as the third or fourth lowest in the satellite record.

But that’s the latest from the Colorado-based National Snow and Ice Data Center, which issued its latest news last week, based on recent satellite images.



Sea ice extent remains below average in nearly every place around the Arctic except in Baffin Bay and Hudson Bay, where some ice still persists in sheltered coastal areas, the NSIDC said.

And there’s even smooth sailing in the Northwest Passage, if you stick to the southerly route, its images show.

This route passes south of Prince of Wales Island and Victoria Island before entering the Beaufort Sea south of Banks Island.

Overall, August saw “a remarkably steady decline in Arctic sea ice extent” — and at a rate that’s slightly faster than the long-term average, the NSIDC said.

While the rapid pace of daily ice loss seen in late July 2015 slowed somewhat in August, the data centre said the pace of loss increased slightly toward the end of the month so that by Aug. 31, Arctic sea ice extent was only slightly greater than on the same date in 2007 and 2011.

Sea ice loss for August averaged 75,100 square kilometres per day, compared to the long-term 1981 to 2010 average value of 57,300 sq km per day, and a rate of 89,500 sq km per day for 2012, the NSIDC said.

The NSIDC’s forecast places the upcoming daily Arctic sea ice minimum extent between third and fourth lowest since the satellite record started in 1978, with fourth more likely.

All four of the lowest extents have occurred since 2007, the NSIDC said.

http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/stories/article/65674arctic_sea_ice_nearing_yearly_minimum_extent_data_center/