Army officer twice reported concerns about Trump's Ukraine tactics

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  1. bx4

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    The intent is proven by the act.
     
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    yes there are other ways to look at it, you just refuse to see them because you want him to be guilty..
     
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    Even Liz Cheney, RW hack, doesn't want to attack this guy's background...

    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/liz-cheney-shameful-vindman.html

    Inherited some brains from dad....
     
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    no it's not...
     
  5. bx4

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    I am drawing an inference from the available facts. Something juries do every day in order to convict criminals.
     
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    The whistleblower gave no names. Not that it would matter.
    So it doesn't bother you that not one of them has said "no, I don't think what Trump said was a problem?"
     
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    Yes it is. In criminal courts every single day.
     
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    well then lets wait till we hear from everyone before we assume guilt.. is that too hard?
     
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    Robert on what would be impeachable

    "Hey Ukraine i really need to win in 2020 you had best investigate Biden and if you find out anything let me know then you can have your aid.
    That would be abuse of power and there is no evidence that anything like that took place."

    Do quote that part of the transcript where he did those things you are asserting. The Obama administration used a foreign government through the Clinton campaign and DNC and an Australian official and other foreigners to try and help Clinton win an election. Yet you do not want that investigated.
     
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    were any of them asked if Trump was a problem?
     
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    you aren't the jury and you have very little of the information
     
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    Are you sure? Because it was widely known to the diplomats.
     
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    I sure didn't see it in their statements. Did you?
     
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    So to you, trying to start an investigation of Biden is not trying to influence the election?
     
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    No reasonable doubt.... I know that's not the official standard in impeachment, but it will be used anyway...
     
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    That’s a delusional requirement to prove corruption. Using your logic, you’d also need Biden saying no aid unless you stop investigating my son....which wasn’t even happening.
    How would a secret warrant on carter page help Hillary win?
     
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    Maybe it was all about the Biden family and how they sold favors?
     
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    nope!
     
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    i don't know the answer to that question is in Trumps brain not mine.
     
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    Yes it does matter they may have committed federal crimes.
     
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    And that takes a public announcement?
     
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    I'll ask you the same

    Do quote that part of the transcript where he did those things he was asserting.
     
  23. The Mello Guy

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    He asked about Biden. Based on what? Where’s the transcript of Biden saying it was to protect his son?
    Again how would a secret warrant on Page help Hillary win?
     
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    bx4 said:
    That’s pretty much what took place. He didn’t make the aid conditional on finding anything. He made it conditional on Ukraine’s president personally and publicly announcing an investigation into the Bidens.
    Using his office to get a foreign government to help with his re election.

    Again quote from the transcript where Trump said that.
     
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    Lol why would it have to be in the transcript? Tons of witnesses are saying that’s what they were told.
     

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