Army officer twice reported concerns about Trump's Ukraine tactics

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seriously?

    smh ...

    :crazy:
     
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    its a very wildly held opinion by many politicians who have the power to make Trump's life, hell.

    :)
     
  3. Robert E Allen

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    1. I have never to the best of my knowledge ever suggested locking up Obumber
    2. Never owned or wore a maga hat.

    I have stated many times that America won't be great again until we start acting greatly.
     
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    Yes seriously playing very soft version of hardball with Ukraine isn't abuse of power.

    What would be abuse?

    Hey Ukraine i really need to win in 2020 you had best investigate Biden and if you find out anything let me know then you can have your aid.
    That would be abuse of power and there is no evidence that anything like that took place.
     
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    They have the power that is true but that just further exemplifies why i call them scumbags. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something..
     
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    Using the office of the president to ask the president of Ukraine to publicly announce an investigation into Trump’s main political opponent.
    You shouldn’t need that explained to you.
     
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    it shouldn't have to be explained to you that the investigation wasn't into a political rival but an american politician who's dealings in Ukraine look really stinky.

    for it to be abuse of power you have to prove that his request is directly related to winning the 2020 election.. it's that simple.
    as i have said before if they can prove that's what he did then impeach him. if they can't well then go pound sand. they have provided no evidence that he did anything impeachable.
     
  8. The Mello Guy

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    If this request was purely in the interest of america why was his personal lawyer involved? Was there a DOJ investigstion?
     
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    i don't know ask him.. but until you do ask him do not assume his guilt...
     
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    If Biden was so corrupt and this was so important, why are so many involved denying they knew of any intent to have Biden investigated? Why would they be hiding it from folks like Perry or Volker??
     
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    Do you ever wonder why so many respected people would put their job and career on the line because they saw what Trump was doing as impeachable?
     
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    I don't know ASK THEM... I am not making excuses for anyone i am explaining what the house needs to accomplish before they can expect the Senate to convict him. something i don't THINK they will be able to do.

    Trump does not have to prove his innocence democrats have to prove his guilt!!!
     
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    ummm a whistle blower came forward without fear of losing their job and gave names of other people who have been subpoenaed .. they aren't all jumping forward yelling impeach!
     
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    The more questions you can’t explain the more you should be wondering. Seems to have the opposite effect. You don’t want the truth, you want plausible deniability.
     
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    So you have nothing of substance to add here......gotcha. How about a fair and equitable process with due process. How is trying to conceal? Schiff and the Democrats except when they think it bouy's there case. "We can't have public testimony because it will taint other witnesses"
    "Here is the opening statement of our witness"

    Which is it they can't have it both ways?
     
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    That’s pretty much what took place. He didn’t make the aid conditional on finding anything. He made it conditional on Ukraine’s president personally and publicly announcing an investigation into the Bidens.
    Using his office to get a foreign government to help with his re election.
     
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    And if he had you would be defending it.
     
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    I want the truth but until the truth comes out good people assume he is innocent. Bad people assume he is guilty.

    Why would i assume democrats are want the truth??

    they did not seek the truth about the 2016 election
    they did not seek the truth about Kavanaugh

    the concept of destruction of political opponents though investigations and leaking negative news has been the Democrat's method of operation since 2016. Why should I think this is any different?
     
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    What would you be looking for to make it impeachable?
     
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    that is all your opinion... your interpretation of the meaning is irrelevant what does matter is what Trump was trying to do , something which you do not know, you are making an assumption.
     
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    Investigating Russian interference in our elections is NOW abuse of power? You guys were demanding it months ago. And Ukraine was NEVER told ANY aid was on the table, stop with the canard.
     
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    Something impeachable.
     
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    i have answered that several times, once already this morning.. you have to prove Trumps intent to influence the 2020 election
     
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    “Looked really stinky?”
    :roflol:
    If there is any evidence of corruption by the Bidens in Ukraine, THE DOJ CAN AND SHOULD INVESTIGATE. It would be a crime under US law.
    Trump did NOT ask them to investigate or reduce corruption generally.
    Trump did NOT name anyone other than his main political rival.

    he asked them to start an investigation about one family only. That is 100% about 2020. No other way to look at it.
     
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    Because the evidence isn’t being provided by democrats. Sondland was a trump appointment. Pompeo sent Taylor to Ukraine. No idea of the Army Rangers party. We still haven’t heard from Bolton....definitely not a democrat.
     

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