Army officer twice reported concerns about Trump's Ukraine tactics

Read what he SAID not someone's interpretation.

 

English, Ukrainian, Russian speaking colonel who heard the conversation said he was concerned about the bipartisanship of the US support for Ukraine.

English, Ukrainian, Russian speaking colonel who heard the conversation witnessed no crimes or misdemeanors during the phone call. Lol

 

So nothing. Investigating the 2016 corruption isn’t impeachment material.

 

No crime here, thanks for clearing that all up.

I'm sure he is a great guy, certainly not an anti Trump witness like you are suggesting he is..

 

Are you kidding me? It is definitely NOT appropriate for America to ask foreign countries to investigate Americans for violations of foreign laws, if they haven't done anything illegal at home. And by the way, under the FCPA if an American engaged in corruption abroad, that would also be a crime in USA. So by all means, start an investigation at home then ask for support from other countries - but don't ask other countries to investigate American citizens independently.

Can you imagine America asking Saudi Arabia to investigate Americans who might have had pre-marital sex while on vacation in Saudi Arabia?

That's inappropriate. What makes it illegal is that Trump did it in order to benefit his political campaign. That violates campaign finance laws about getting something of value from non-citizens.

 

I still hope the Articles of Impeachment don't get into the whole campaign finance laws deal... it may technically be true, but to me, it sort of belittles the entire thing to an obscure violation that many people won't understand.

I'd stay with the simple to define Abuse of Power.... Everybody can understand that concept.

I read Vindmans statement this AM... Even though he was on both WH/Zelensky calls, he's going to be a minor witness since he cannot tie Military Aid to a Biden investigation. Like Bill Taylor, he pointed the finger to Sondland as being the primary pusher of investigations for US support.

Sondland or Mulvaney are the 2 keys, as both had full access to Trump.

 

It was a policy disagreement and the Presidents policy decisions trump his. If the Democrats would no longer support Ukraine because they cooperated in a corruption investigation including a then high level government official let them go in record doing so as that investigation proceeded.

He also said
"“Ambassador Sondland emphasized the importance that Ukraine deliver the investigations into the 2016 election, the Bidens and Burisma,” Colonel Vindman said in his draft statement.

“I stated to Ambassador Sondland that his statements were inappropriate” and that the “request to investigate Biden and his son had nothing to do with national security, and that such investigations were not something the N.S.C. was going to get involved in or push,” he added."

I don't think he would make that decision but he is correct it was legal matter a possible criminal matter and the DOJ would be involved.

 

He disagreed with policy and feared if they investigated possible criminal corruption in would harm "bipartisan support". If he disagreed resign. Those are not his decisions.

 

It's a DOJ matter and if he disagreed with policy oh well he doesn't set it. Nothing criminal and nothing impeachable.

 

How is investigating Russian interference into the election an abuse of power. You guys were all running around with your hair on fire about just months ago. And there was no extortion, how do you extort someone when you never tell them they are being extorted.

 

It was a request to cooperate with us I believe Barr was already on it on our end.

 

Can’t say he doesn’t have first hand knowledge so just say “get over it”
So now we see the expected....every argument from last week is out the window so the right moves on to the inevitable.

 

So barr was already in contact to pass along any actual evidence? No, there doesn’t seem to be any mention of any actual evidence of a crime. Probably why he sent his personal lawyer and a couple criminals to lead the charge.

 

Don't vote for him then. If we are going to go down the path that if one party doesn't like the President therefore they impeach him then everyone needs to start growing banana trees in their yards.

 

So ukraine is tied to Russian interference in 2016? You didn’t think so when the house wanted the grand jury materials.

 

BS. Provide ANY reputable news source that says that the DoJ had an investigation into the Bidens on July 25 2019.

 

Yah were much better off when presidents use their personal lawyer and the power of their office to get rivals invesigated based on nothing innuendo. You’ll be fine with a dem president holding up aid to Israel until they announce theyre investigating some top republican for something?

 

In order to cooperate they have to start doing so and by cooperative treaty we can request they do so.

 

Nothing was held up and if a Republican is involved in corruption in Israel investigate it and if Israeli cooperation necessary we have the same type treaty as with Ukraine which allows it.

 

As part of their probe into Russian interference they were looking at matters in Ukraine. I said I believe he was looking into already not a formal investigation into Biden which needed Ukraine cooperation to move forward.

 

Can't say he points to anything illegal. Don't like the policy or don't want corruption investigated don't vote him.

 

Except he didn't just ask for Ukraine to give Barr whatever help he asked for. I wouldn't think there is anything wrong with that. Here is what he said, according to the note of the call:

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

He mentioned Biden by name and asked Ukraine to "look into" something that American authorities are NOT looking into. He didn't mention anyone else. He didn't mention corruption. He mentioned the man who is currently front-runner in the race to challenge him as president, and who most polls show beating him in an election.

That is abuse of office. Abuse of power. Corruption.

 

You guys can indulge your blind faith in Whimpering Don.

The truth is being exposed despite his desperate attempts to keep it hidden.

 

So youvhave nothing of substance to add here......gothca

 

That wasn't the "favor" and yes there is an appearence of corruption with Biden and his son and Ukraine oligach's. Why shouldn't that be investigated? Did being a candidate make Trump immune from investigation?