Baldwin says he doesn't feel guilty for 'Rust' shooting: Someone else 'is responsible'

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Like I said
    Your vid proves nothing.
    Your "rules" about how to handle guns, mean nothing for a movie set.
    The person who killed Brandon Lee never got suit, so your last reply... also means nothing.
     
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    It proves defect or negligence, one of the two..
     
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    Even if the gun functioned correctly, it still could be that the factory making blanks and dummies made an error in their process. And even if they did not, it could have been a setup. And even if that wasn't all the case but just negligence it remains so that previously an actor who killed a person like that, .... never was dragged to court over it, but the company who does the producing. And you have not dare to argue against it.

    While it remains so that your youtube vid meant nothing.
    While it remains so that your rules about how to handle guns mean nothing.
    Thanks for the contribution.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unfortunately Baldwin cannot keep his mouth shut and basically admitted to murder on TV.

    All your speculation is irrelevant. The only one responsible is the person that handles the weapon.
     
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    Butterballs put up a vid where some gimp says it's possible what Baldwin experienced.
    And you're not responding to my argument how it previously was dealt with.
     
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    Doesn’t matter. There is no such thing as an accidental discharge unless the weapon is faulty. It’s always a negligent discharge.
     
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    And it's not like a crazed guy shooting up Republican members of Congress..............so why how would either mitigate what happened here?

    Yes he IS responsible the gun was in his hand. If he pointed it at someone he is at fault, If he had it pointed at someone while he pulled back the trigger and somehow it slipped and fired, see the videos about about how a single action works, and it killed someone HE is responsible. It was NOT his job to be pointing the gun around and it was HIS responsibility to check and see if it was safe.
     
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    If the pilot was negligent in the manner in which he operated the aircraft YES. Baldwin was negligent in his handling of the weapon by his own adminssion.
     
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    And he pulled back the trigger while it was pointed at someone. He say he did not have the trigger pulled but that is not probability of firing the weapon. Once it is cocked it will not fire until you pull the trigger. There are two clicks, one almost immediately which licks the hammer away from the bullet but not far enough to fire the bullet. Pulling it back further, and he says the director kept telling to keep pulling it back, and letting go it will not fire the weapon. He said he pulled it back to just before it cocked, letting go the hammer would not hit the bullet. It has to go past the cocking point and then the trigger pulled. The ONLY way what he says happened could have he would have had to have the trigger already pressed.
     
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    And previously the DA did not file a lawsuit against the actor because there was no crime committed, just an accident. And the case was settled between the production company and the relatives of the victim.
     
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    I don't see any resemblance between some active shooter who is out there with the intent to kill, and an actor who has no intent to kill with a prop.

    1) It actually is his job as an actor to point a prop around. You see can see that happening in all kinds of movies. That is a fact you are free to dispute.
    2) There are people employed to prepare and check props to make sure they function the way they should. Those people are not actors. That is a fact you are free to dispute.
     
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    The only way to safely release a cocked hammer is to hold the hammer back with the thumb then pull the trigger. While the trigger is pulled slowly release the hammer until it is fully seated then release the trigger. Baldwin said he never pulled the trigger that the hammer slammed down when he removed his thumb. If true this is a malfunction of the gun. But the question as to why a live bullet ended up in the gun needs to be answered. The only way Baldwin could have known a blank was in the gun was to remove it and shake it. A blank will rattle inside. Realistically should Baldwin have removed each bullet after he was told it was a cold gun to verify it? Do gun safety classes teach this procedure when someone is handed a gun?
     
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    There were several producers so Baldwin may not have had any involvement with hiring.
     
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    Baldwin claims he never pulled the trigger yet the hammer slammed back down igniting the bullet. A gun failure?
     
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    On a movie set close up shots of the front of the gun are common so using a blank that looks exactly like a bullet is used not a crimped blank. Movie set blanks also rattle when shaken. Who ever loaded the gun may not have known how to check for prop bullets.
     
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    There is no proof he pulled the trigger. Baldwin claims he never did. The hammer was cocked when he removed his thumb so it may have slammed down on it's own.
     
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    Indeed. I think it's even rather doubtful he took up the job to hire random staff needed for the movie. He might have hired the other actors and the people directly involved with filming and recording sound for the artistic level. But the person who screws in the lightbulb or brings the coffee, the carpenter, the costume designer.... I can't picture see him reading all them resumes.
     
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    Pilots don't generally look at the work completed unless maybe it's a small aircraft owned by a private individual. Commercial pilots don't look at the work done by technicians, that is the IA's job. A pilot's preflight checklist involves specific areas. You won't see them opening up engine cowlings to look at the completed jobs to see that they were done correctly.
     
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    Anyone who wants to be a producer must go through a training program. Actors will get this certification to advance their resume.
     
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    So what. Baldwin still was -top of my head- one of the 5 producers who each had a different roll. Baldwin own a production company, and I wouldn't be surprised if the other 4 own a production company as well. It's them companies who probably get hired to do a movie, making those companies financial liable by entering a parade of lawyers and not the people working in those companies.

    FYI. Baldwin didn't just kill a person, he also hit a director. That director is also one of them producers. He is listed as such on IMDb.
     
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    This was no accident. No doubt famous actors might be treated differently than you would because they are assumed privileged but you would go to jail under similar circumstances.
     
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    uh huh

    which gun fired the fatal shot? Was it the gun that he was improperly handling (hint: properly handled firearms do not discharge in the direction of another person) or the gun of someone else?
     
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    The ONLY way that could happen is if he had his finger on the trigger. There is a secondary stop before the hammer can hit a round but it is only active if the trigger has not been pulled.
     
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    In a properly working gun yes. Baldwin said he never pulled the trigger and there is no proof he is lying. I'm sure the gun will be tested.
     
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    He admits to aiming it and letting go the hammer so he admitted to guilt.
     

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