Baldwin says he doesn't feel guilty for 'Rust' shooting: Someone else 'is responsible'

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  1. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Actually I posted several times that it was a union contract from the Actors guild.. Look bro, at this point I'm simply throwing every type of facts and logic at you hoping something will break the force field of reluctance protecting you :)
     
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    This is about if Baldwin, not as an actor, but as a producer is liable for what happened. It's a producer who hired the not so capable person responsible for the props. But I've not seen any proof if Baldwin was that producer who is responsible for hiring the help. He could have been the producer responsible for the budget or the artistic field for all I know.

    And I don't see how Baldwin as an actor is responsible for a job that somebody else is being paid to do. An actor is also not the supervisor of such a person.
     
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    You keep saying it's a contract, but in your quote it clearly says it's a guideline. I'm not up for your alternative reality. Maybe you should go back and count votes, ey?
     
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  4. Reality

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    You're ignoring that ultimate liability for a shooting lies with the person who was handling the firearm when firing it killed someone.

    The gun is put in your hand, you have the duty to check that its not going to kill someone when you point the thing at them. Get that through your head dear.
     
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    I'm well aware of how single actions work.
    Either
    (A) it had enough force at less than half **** to fire it. Or
    (B) he was unconsciously holding the trigger back when he released the hammer with his thumb (more likely)
    The fact of the matter is, the revolver didn't fire itself.
    It didn't just "go off".
    SOMEBODY manipulated the hammer/trigger in such a way that it fired.
    The only person touching it was Alec Baldwin.

    End of story.
     
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    Right! throw him in the Pokey
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  7. notme

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    I already responded to your dull comment about checking a gun, and how that you can't tell some fake bullets from the real bullets. I even sourced it.
    And I add. This isn't the first time it happened. It happened in 1993 in the making of the crow. No criminal charges were ever made.
    Only a civil suit against the production company.
     
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    Yes I did, in post 189. And I got no clue what kind of photoshop picture that is from where.
     
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    Which only illustrates you've never seen any of the rounds in question before and don't know what you're talking about.
     
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    You responded, and I showed you what they look like. You can definitely tell the difference.

    Brandon Scott Lee was playing RUSSIAN ROULETTE on set with a prop gun he had handled himself. There were no criminal charges because the guy that pulled the trigger did himself so the criminal was dead dude. FFS, kids these days.
     
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    I didn't write that article. So it's not me who you are disputing. While your picture remains a total mystery where it comes from and if it's legit.
     
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    You put up a mysterious picture where it's unclear where it came from. I put up a normal source totally disputing that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Massee
    Massee was the actor who fired the shot that killed Lee by accident on the set in 1993

    /facedesk

    You probably also think Trump won the elections, right?
    How about 5G, flat earth, crop circles, mask against covid?
     
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    Rather much remains so, no matter how much you hate Alec Baldwin for probably his political views and his activities for PETA, that historically the actor who uses an ill prepared prop that ends up killing a person is not liable. So the chances that it will happen now is slim to zero. People are even not considering that when the manufacturer of the dummies sold their thing to the movie, that 1 of them was actually a life bullet... because some exceptionally ill individual likes this kind of sabotage... out of the hate of Alec Baldwin.
     
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    All the way in the end, the guy of the vid says it's indeed possible that the gun would fire the way Baldwin the way it did.
     
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    Not unless he was or holding the trigger back :) Watch it again..
     
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    I watched it. At 6.44 he says there is one situation that it can happen the way Baldwin said it happened.
     
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    IF the bottom side of the hammer was worn, highly unlikely and even more obvious! If it were that warn out, you wouldn't be able to set the hammer at the full cocked position.. But hey, anything can happen, and this is a SINGLE ACTION weapon so if it were worn out it would have already been discovered..
     
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    You seem to have no idea what you're on about, why not let another one of these kind posters help you learn something?
     
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    1) You actually proved it's possible, where you claimed it couldn't be possible.
    2) It's a prob and not used as a regular gun would ever be used. It doesn't need to be worn. It could just have been made to function like that.
    3) there shouldn't have been life ammo in it anyways.

    And historically, the actor isn't suit for such a thing.
     
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    Sure, anything is possible in the hands of a negligent idiots.. As for two, it was a fully functional firearm first and foremost! Regardless of how much you love Alec he is responsible for all items he takes hold of, sword, hammer, spoon, bat, chainsaw, firearms or any other item used as a prop..

    He has been in the business for over 30 years, he damn well knows the rules ;)
     
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    It remains so that you claimed it's not possible.
    And your own source says otherwise.
    Thanks for sharing.

    Regardless how much you hate Alec. Historically, no actor got suit over exactly such a thing.
     
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    You claim malfunction, a malfunction that would have been totally obvious even to someone with no prior weapon experience. As I edited, he has been in the biz for 30+years, he should have known not to point a firearm at a person ever.. And that's all that need be said really ;)
     
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    @notme

    I'd like you and Baldwin to start here, THE BASICS ;)

    Firearm Safety - 10 Rules of Safe Gun Handling • NSSF
     
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    ME??? You claimed Baldwin lied with the idea that a gun couldn't function like that. And your own source debunked it.

    If you seen movies for 30 years, you would have realized that people aim weapons at each other and themselves all the time.
    And so it happens that ppl get killed by props, including guns.
    https://www.ranker.com/list/people-killed-by-prop-weapons/juliet-bennett-rylah
     

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