Bill Maher’s advice to atheists. + My plan of attack.

That is untrue, atheism does no such thing. Most religions, however, do say that you shouldn't tell untruths like this. And yet here we are, an atheist who is not telling untruths, and a religious adherent who is doing so.

 

I love doomie's hackneyed old device "atheism is an unpopular world view"!

it's delightfully provincial and ethnocentric, and logically idiotic to boot. like claiming smartphones are the least popular form of communication in human history. fantastic stuff

 

Yet you think comparing apples to golf clubs is brilliant? Hahaha! Comparing atheism to cell phones is pretty idiotic itself. Cell phones are popular yet atheism isn't....it never has been. How can anyone have a worldview that is so conflicted with reality?

 

Atheism does have a low retention rate. I was challenged to backup a claim earlier today and had to pop some facts out. Feelings were hurt and people were pwned. No need to do that on every claim I make. Just too much emotional carnage on those who challenge the Champ.

 

How is a typical Atheist more moral than a typical Christian?

 

spell it out for ya, shall I? over the course of human history, I'm fairly sure smartphones (when considered per capita), are not the most popular form of communication. that would be because they were only invented last Thursday. likewise atheism as it is today - quite common, and generally not punishable by death or torture - has only really been extant since the middle of last century. prior to this, almost everyone on the planet was scared - some literally - to death of questioning the status quo. you cannot make the claim that people have CHOSEN to avoid atheism, when atheism only became a CHOICE in the past 50 years. in many parts of the world, it still isn't a choice.

you think the atheist position conflicts with reality? wow. that's quite an achievement coming from someone who thinks a book of supernatural hocus pocus penned by bronze age goatherds - which involves talking snakes, genocide, and 5 mile deep floods - is reality. then again, perhaps your reality is full of spooks and magic, for which there is ample empirical evidence? this would, indeed, indicate that we have it all wrong.

 

Just because you backed up one claim you made doesn't mean you can post whatever you like, unchallenged, "CHAMP"

 

There are many but I will put my favorites down.

1. Atheist see the immorality in substitutionary atonement.
2. Atheist recognize that God in Eden is a prick.
3. Christians have denied women and gays equality forever.

I could make a rather large list but these clips is a good way to end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4QXOgVfY9k&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

 

Christians have denied FEMINISTS and gays and all male supporters of Feminism with its sexual promiscuity the equality with prudent sexual attitudes.
These Christians condemn sexual promiscuity in general, and deal equally with the feminists and the gays who would work to change the society into a matriarchy.

All this is directed at protecting the young children from what we see today in America.

 

So you are saying that religious people, say in Iran, are sexually promiscuous while in other places, the atheists are not?

I believe that is erroneous.

 

Because most Christians believe Jesus was a deity, he was not subject to mortal morality. His act of atonement was a gift (they believe). I see nothing immoral about that.

The Garden of Eden is allegorical. One can make of it what they want...As you did.

Atheists have done the same.

It is interesting that you base Atheist morality on Christianity and not on your own set of moral guidelines.

 

Christianity teaches sexual prudence as a rule, and Islam enforces it.
This colntrasts with the atheism we see in practice today, even with the children of religious parents.

 

As I mentioned, it seems Atheists base their morality on their negative view of Christianity.

 

Why are so many Christians using abortion services as compared to other countries?
A Christian nation indeed.

What is it with Christians always thinking of other people junk and what they are doing with it. That is sick.

Regards
DL

 

Interesting that you are lying.

Get the quote where I speak of anything like that.

Why is Eden allegory and not the crucifixion?

Jesus' act may have been a gift, if he was real at all, but it is still immoral to accept a gift that involves the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty.

Would you teach your child, at school let's say, to accept such a gift from a friend at school to cover up his own mistake? Or would you teach him to step up to his own responsibilities?

Regards
DL

 

I got it from your reply which was nothing but anti Christian....Which is largely what Atheism is all about. Do you deny this?

Eden depicts the beginning of human existence, who would be present to document this? The crucifixion could have been millions of years later and is documented as an actual event in the bible and other sources. We know also that crucifixion was a form of punishment meted out by the Romans at that time.

If one is a believer then Jesus was a deity who would not have been questioned as to his immorality. (like I already said) Would you teach your child that laying down one's own life to save another is a sucker move?

 

Would it be possible for you to point out these "other" sources for me as I have been looking for them for years with no luck?

 

So you are saying the moon is made of green cheese? You're wrong.

It's easy to defeat a strawman, isn't it.

What I am saying is that what atheISTS may or may not do is a different question to what atheISM does, which is nothing.

 

Tacitus is the main one. He offhandedly mentions some guy who gets crucified, named Yeshua, among others. It is plainly not a big deal to him. Hardly a surprise that a person with a reasonably common name was among the people getting crucified at that time, but there you go.

 

I take it you're not one of those people who insists that the entire bible is inspired by god, then. Glad to see that, but you're surely aware that a great many people think the bible is god speaking through the men who wrote it.

 

Absolutely if like in the case of Jesus, it was his father who demanded that he die because the father had stupidly condemned mankind and would not use a moral way to forgive them and decided it was moral for him to have his son murdered.

I would teach my child how immoral that God was and would tell him to walk away and not look back at such an ungodly immoral pair.

Would you teach your child to use a scapegoat in school?
Or would you teach him to step up like you will not do thanks to your immorality?

Regards
DL

 

[video=youtube;KRLR9jhP_DM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRLR9jhP_DM&NR=1&feature=fvwp[/video]

Regards
DL

 

For the savior of the world an offhand comment hardly seems adequate.

I have seen this presented in the past as proof but it has been discounted by several Biblical scholars, not apologists but actual scholars who hold very high degrees in biblical history or other areas of biblical studies such as Richard Carrier, or Bart Erhman.

Here is a resent examination of this writing that raises some very interesting questions...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UgO8fAJVVM

Considering the fact that Tacitus was born 25 years after Jesus was said to have been killed this would only be hearsay anyhow and not what I would consider an eye witness account. The original writing doesn't exist and we have only older copies. The surviving copies of Tacitus' works derive from two principal manuscripts, known as the Medicean manuscripts, written in Latin, which are held in the Laurentian Library in Florence, Italy

Are there any other examples you may have?

 

Objective assessment of the history of Christianity is not going to be pretty. Why is telling the truth "anti-Christian".

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Crucifixion is documented as an actual event by historians who witnessed these events. There is no such documentation for the crucifixion of Jesus.