Bill Maher’s advice to atheists. + My plan of attack.

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  1. crank

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    Jesus didn't die according to the same source you are basing your comments on. If you are going to refer to Christian theology then to have any kind of credibility you should have at least a workman's knowledge of the tome.

    It's not 'pair' it's 'Trinity' and it's allegorical.

    I certainly wouldn't teach my child to use Christianity as a scape-goat for the world's woes.
     
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    what???....if gawd is all-knowing...then he knew what laid in store for jeebus....so, without acting to prevent it, he killed his own son. All-loving god....yeah, thats it.
     
  4. crank

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    But that is, in effect, what the bible describes. No amount of wordy obfuscation will change the core of the message - ie, that god stuffed up so decided to kill his son as a means of 'fixing' things.

    Even as allegory, it's bad medicine. Reality or allegory, the message is wrong.

    So would you teach your child to take responsibility for their own mistakes? or is the use of a scapegoat to be preferred?
     
  5. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    Now Jesus did not die. Thanks for showing us your knowledge of the tome.

    You have made up your own theology. Enjoy it.

    Thanks for ending by showing your lack of morals and acceptance of barbaric human sacrifice of an innocent man as justice.

    Regards
    DL
     
  6. RPA1

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    Most Christians believe that the soul does not die and the soul is what what a human being really is. The story of Jesus' execution merely upholds (to the believers) that there is no real death for the soul. Believers say Jesus IS God and God IS Jesus. You have a different interpretation that may or may not be correct but it does reflect your overall hatred for Christianity.
     
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    Meanwhile you do not even though it makes second class citizens of your daughters, wife and even your mother.

    You go ahead and love such immorality and injustice.

    Just don't ever call yourself a moral or just man.

    You show you are also a fool as you think thing that a God can sacrifice himself to himself to appease his own wrath.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    and there's that mention of the soul again! would you mind popping over to the thread about losing half the soul, please? you seem to know something about the matter :)
     
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    I hate neither Christians nor Atheists for their beliefs and/or non-beliefs. I recognize that others may not believe as I do.

    It is immoral and unjust to call me and my family (people you don't even know) 'second class' just because you think you know 'better.'

    Since I disagree with your premise that statement makes no sense.

    l never said that's what I think.

    BTW I'm still waiting for that list of Atheist morals. All you gave was anti-Christian statements. What morals do Atheists live by? Where do they come from? Or are Atheists just amoral?



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    Is it some Atheistic sin to mention the word soul?
     
  10. crank

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    pardon?

    au contraire, mon ami. I'm trying to find out just what and where the soul is. can you help?
     
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    At present it is a belief. I think there were some experiments where a dying person was weighed before and after death to try to detect any change (like a soul leaving the body) however that has been long since debunked as being due to natural causes.

    I don't know where or what the soul is but I try not to rule out anything....so....sorry.
     
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    WHY is it sooooooo hard for SOME people to understand that atheism is NOT a club, or an organized entity with rules and silly ceremonies.


    Now pay close attention:

    Atheists do not believe in a god or gods. THE END


    That is the ONLY thing atheists have in common.




    Can you understand that? It's really simple....it's just afew short words...try real hard , you may get it ...eventually!

    Atheist do not have the exact same morals as other atheists, there is NO REASON to.......let me know when this goes over your head...
     
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    Thanks. Your willingness to admit that you dont know is to be admired. Your brothers ought to take note.

    Meantime, do you think anyone knows? Like the pope, or other big cheeses of the church?
     
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    I believe the other one that is frequently referenced is Josephus. He is supposedly also mentioned in the Talmud. Nothing that can't be disputed, like you did with Tacitus. But there are indeed a handful of weak references to a batch of crucifixions that include a person called Yeshue, which were written while it could have been within living memory. As if that means anything.
     
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    I am aware of the Josephus additions also.

    I still am waiting for the other "sources " that RPA1 spoke of. It would be very exciting if there were actually some that are real and verifiable that I'm not aware of. Are there any others RPA1?
     
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    Photons have energy and momentum, but no mass. Whether or not a soul exists or not, I don't know, but weighing something before and after death is certainly inconclusive at best. There are forms of massless energy...gauge bosons: the photon (carrier of electromagnetism) and the gluon (carrier of the strong force).

    In other words, their invariant mass is nothing.
     
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    Atheism is a 'club' in one sense, they do not believe in God. In fact, that is their whole philosophy as far as I can tell.


    So...If one Atheist decides it's moral to rape your wife then that's OK with you?
     
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    ""Atheist do not have the exact same morals as other atheists, there is NO REASON to"""".......let me know when this goes over your head...


    I guess it DID go over your head. It was very clear what I posted so it must've got scrambled in your brain.
    Maybe if you read it really really slowly several times...


    And, there is no Atheist Club.
     
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    I decide to ignore him when he twisted a lot of what I said. He may need his meds looked at.

    That or he thinks B S can baffle brains.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    The only ones who justify rape are Christians who do not denounce the barbarity of their genocidal son murdering God.

    Have a look then wonder why so many men love that God.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCovYF51qHE&NR=1&feature=fvwp

    Regards
    DL
     
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    As I said before, and supported by your You Tube link, it seems the Atheist view of morality is nothing more than hatred of others' beliefs. I couldn't care less about your opinion of Christians, I asked you if you would be OK if another Atheist decided it was 'moral' to rape your wife. What is your answer? Further, what list of moral rules do Atheists live by? So far all you have done is denigrated anyone who has a religious belief in God.
     
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    I have no problem with any theist who has not allowed his morals to be corrupted by his religion.

    I am not an atheist so trying to badmouth me for non-belief is just you trying to deflect again.

    Now, you had not posed that rape question to me but I will answer.

    If within my power, that rapist would pay to the full extent of the law.

    What would you do?
    Your bible tells you to --- Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

    What good would you provide to the perpetrator raping your wife?

    Would you turn the other cheek and offer your daughter for his next?

    Regards
    DL

    P.S. Do try to read what I wrote this time because if you screw up as badly as you did on my other post to you I will have to ignore you.
     
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    The Jewish writings in the Talmud acknowledged Jesus and had much to say about Mary and the apostles before they edited the works in the early 17th century.
     
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    So even reading slowly doesn't help...
     

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