Blood is on Obama/Democrat Hands - Fast and Furious

In the following video Michelle Malkin offers an honest and fair response and shares how "Fast and Furious" is not like anything done during the Bush years and how the blood of over 200 Mexican citizens and U.S. Border Agent, Bryan Terry, is on the hands of the Democrats alone.

Also, it is explained how Holder has lied about Bush's Attorney General knowing anything (he did not) and last week retracting that lie.

This is NOT a partisan event.

Fast and Furious is an event where hundreds of innocent Mexican citizens were murdered. This is an event where at least one U.S. Agent was murdered.

The Obama Administration owes honest answers to the people of the United States and Mexico, but all they have offered is stonewalling and lies. They have lied to us all.

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Blood is on their hands, especially if these reports about the ATF setting these things up to make the case stronger for gun regulation.

What a shame.

 

Does she address why a program started in 2006 is the sole property of Democrats now? Or is this another partisan harping?

Just want to know before I watch it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_1...the-case-for-gun-regulations/?tag=re1.channel

This might show some insight.

 

Michelle Malkin ?

 

When youre out to destroy a nations constitution, sometimes people have to die....

aint that right, Leftys?

 

Okay, but that's icing on the cake of this pile of wrongness. I am asking if she addressed that this operation was started in 2006 and also called out the idiots in charge of our government at that time who gave the okay for this illegal program that thwarts US jurisdiction statutes and plays fast and loose with entrapment guidelines.

Did she? If she does I will watch the whole thing, if not I won't bother.

 

Bush and Satan, I mean, Cheney were lefty's too? Not surprising. Bush, Cheney, Obama...(*)(*)(*)(*) collectivists.

 

As Wide Receiver ended, and Fast and Furious then begun under a new Administration, with very different parameters, I believe there is an assumption that MOST people can draw some conclusions themselves.

"Most" being the key word here.

 

It is explained, but if you don't already know the differences, then don't bother. You have chosen to remain ignorant.

 

That is correct. Partisan left wing hacks choose not to understand the vast differences.

 

So because only 450 guns were put into the hands of murderers that's okay...we have a number for what is moral, ethical, and illegal now?

 

I don't know if she did. But myself along with others here stated how the operation was wrong. However, the difference is that this was done on Obama's watch to help get controls on the 2nd amendment, and in the coarse of it, a border agent was killed with guns sold from his administration.

 

Is the topic confusing you ? Do I need to type larger ? Your question was answered. Do some research for once. Wide Receiver was dumb. Fast and Furious was four times larger, and many times even dumber. OBTW, one was criminal, and one not.

 

Wider Receiver under Bush ended in 2006 when it was found out that about 400 guns got lost and the program was subsequently shut down. BTW- WR was under the cooperation with the Mexican government and was shut down under Bush's term when it was found out it was a flawed program. F&F happened in 2009 without Mexican government cooperation since they had no idea > 2000 guns flowed into their country and was not shut down until it became public after Brian Terry was killed during the Obama term. You attempt to blame Bush is a fail.

 

I hardly think that this topic is confusing to me. Moral ambiguity has no place in a just government. You seem to be the one confused about what is "manufacturing jurisdiction" and "entrapment" and the difficulties that the DOJ assumes when attempting to straddle the line. You're essentially making the argument that the 450 guns that were placed into the hands of murderers were collateral damage and insignificant because our own citizenry was not effected. It only became wrong in your opinion, it seems, when the operation backfired and one of our own was killed.

 

If the partisan glasses were to come off you would realize that I've likewise throughout these threads blamed both administrations. In fact, exotix and I were having a quite heated exchange about what I feel is Obama's anal rape of our Constitution.

Wide Receiver, the precursor, was begun in 2006 and shut down approx 2007 because they fumbled the ball. That is what happens when you operate outside the boundaries of morality.

 

I learned long ago that one of the first signs if idiocy debate forums is when folks restate the words of another so as to create a strawman more to their abilities to discuss.

The issue is the cover-up. The speculation is to why. If it were the Bush Admin DoJ on the hot seat, and W issuing a writ of Executive Privilege, then maybe you got something.

At least a few of us long ago concluded that all gun-running was a very poor idea. And worse.

 

450 guns during a experiment with the cooperation and involvement of the Mexican government and they shut it down when it turned out that the tracing bug idea was flawed. Now compare that with the 2500 guns shipped without the Mexican governments consent or knowledge after it had already been proven that it did not work. When I was in the military new ideas were not always successful, but we did not go back and use ideas which had already proven to be unworkable

 

What strawman do you refer to? Fast and Furious should result in impeachment, but won't. Wide Receiver among other things should have resulted in impeachment and didn't. High crimes aren't what they used to be.

The thread title is "blood on Obama and Democrat's hands", not the writ of Executive Privilege. I'm addressing that there are a lot of hands with blood on them because of systemic abuses of the law.

The fact that you choose to ignore that this is a systemic issue with the US government is not my concern. I made my own statement on how I feel about it in general. I don't think this is an "Obama" only thing. It is a problem with the executive branch and three letter agencies not realizing that we have laws and the spirit of those laws is just as important as finding the next loophole to them.

I wasn't on here when Bush was in office to hear you talk about Wide Receiver. Good to know that you did.

 

It's like comparing cocaine addiction to heroin without saying they're both dangerous.

 

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actually if you want to use a drug reference it seems more like a comparison between controlled anesthesia administered in a hospital setting compared to a crack being smoked in an alley.

Wide reciever was a flawed but well intentioned attempt to track weapons, Fast and Furious seemed more like a operation to get as many arms across the border as possible for some reason

 

track weapons outside our jurisdictional boundaries, you mean.

 

We all know why F&F was done, it was done to pad the ATF statistics to make it look like guns were streaming across to Mexico illegally and it would be used as justification to create more gun legislation. Did people forget all the US guns to Mexico crap in the news before this story broke? There were tons of articles and news reports about how these loop hole in the law were the reason why alot of guns got into Mexico and then nothing once this story broke and we found out our own government let these guns walk.

 

Some people REFUSE to understand the differences. The intellectually dishonest they forward is appalling and insulting to anyone with a fair mind.

• They can't accept that Barack Obama unilaterally provided the weapons for the Drug Cartels to murder over 200 innocents.
• They can't accept that Barack Obama unilaterally provided the weapons for the Drug Cartels to murder U.S Border Agent Bryan Terry.
• They refuse to understand that Barack Obama had the motive of using these events to stomp on the U.S. Constitution.
• They can't accept that Barack Obama's Justice Department LIED to congress repeatedly.
• They can't accept that Barack Obama now is trying to wrongly use Executive Privilege to escape from the lies to Congress, illegal activity, and attempt to subvert the U.S. Constitution.

The apologists, Barack Obama sycophants, and Blame Bush leftists are complicity spitting in the face of the family of murdered U.S. Agent Bryan Terry and the over 200 Mexican citizen's families which are now dead.

Do you leftists understand that hundreds were murdered?
Do you leftists understand that a U.S. Agent was murdered?
Do you leftists understand that the Obama Administration tried to use their deaths to stomp on the U.S. Constitution? (Never let a good tragedy go to waste or create a tragedy to attack personal freedoms.)
Do you leftists understand that Barack Obama's Justice Department LIED repeatedly and withheld documents from the U.S. Congress?
Finally.... do you leftists understand that now Barack Obama is trying to wrongfully cover all this up with the perversion of Executive Privilege?

Either you don't understand OR YOU DON'T CARE. I think it is the latter, and I think most leftists posting here are absolute scumbags.