"Blowback Theory" enthusiasts. What Actions did the USA commit before 9/11/01?

YOUR nation and Russia installed the puppet.

 

Don't be idiotic, please, you're embarrassing yourself. Yes, MI6 had a hand in this, but Russia? FFS educate yourself man!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

 

Shah was installed in 1941 idiot.

 

You really are totally clueless. Up until 1953 the Shah was a constitutional monarch with no power over parliament, just as the Queen of England is, but the government of Iran was a democracy, just as Great Britain is. After the coup he became an autocratic monarch and democracy ceased to exist, and dictatorship was the result. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état
This ultimately led to widespread protest against his brutal rule, and the Islamic Revolution was the direct result of US and British meddling in Iran in 1953 for control of Iranian oil, which Mossadegh wanted to nationalise.

 

Notice how nothing you said contradicts with the fact that the shah was installed in 1941, 12 years earlier by Russia and Britain who forced his father to resign, bringing his son to power. And it was Mosaddegh who dissolved the Parliament.

 

Why the artificial stopping point at 1990?

And how exactly is it blaming the victim? The blame lies on the terrorists, however there are actions that we can take as a country that limits our risks.

 

Why not?

If Obama became a brutal dictator and used a secret police and private army to murder Conservatives who spoke out against his government and was armed, funded, and supported by China, would you be justified in being angry at China?

And please tell us how MUSLIMS believe that anything we did during the Cold War is justified.

 

If you train and arm a secret police, you are responsible for every person they murder.

 

"Funded"??? We buy their oil and sell them goods. Its called trade.

 

What was it about "up until 1953" that you failed to grasp?

 

That would work great IF we were ONLY killing terrorists.

Every innocent person that becomes "collateral damage" creates another person who will try to kill Americans down the road.

 

Your thread is a dishonest attempt at rewriting history. Both Bin Laden and the CIA have confirmed that 9/11 was blowback for our interventionist foreign policy that conservatives like yourself support.

 

So we don't give foreign aid to the Saudi government and never have?

We didn't send in the CIA to train the Shah's secret police?

You are really arguing that?

Personally, even if it is trade, its still morally reprehensible. America should not be in the business of trade with any non-democracy.

 

Was 9/11 perpetuated by Israel?

perhaps a blend of Saudi intervention and the Israeli state?

 

Are you kidding me?? China is not by any means the greatest country in the world, the USA is. Why hasn't anyone pointed this out yet? In fact, the USA is still leading in all important fields by wide margins; outclassing both china and the rest of the world. I'm just looking at reality here.

 

No it's not; His sky fairy has laid of the killing of apostates, heathens, women, gays, and the rest. Just as unfounded perhaps, but certainly not as backwards.

 

Too many to name - Bill Clinton bombed pharmaceutical factory in Afghanistan for one. as another example I will tell you that I was retardedly stupid enough to vote for Bush in 2000 ONLY because I thought that he would bring Bill Clinton to trial for attrocities he comitted in Serbia. after all, I was new to politics at the time and Bush did his nice talk about 'no nation building'

 

Nothing. Did you have a point you wanted to make?

 

The Shah was in Iran. We were talking about Saudi Arabia.

 

I was? Iwas talking about US involvement in the Middle East in general, where we have a record of arming dictators and training secret police force who are then used to murder dissidents.

 

And Bin Laden couldn't possibly be lying.

“Our talks with the infidel West and our conflict with them ultimately revolve around one issue… Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam… Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die.” - Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda Reader, pg 42.

 

Whether or not U.S. actions meant we "deserved" 9/11 is a completely separate and hot-button point that just muddies the question.

The general point is valid: that a long list of U.S. actions in the Middle East helped contribute to the political/economic mess in the region, and the resultingly virulent strain of anti-Americanism.

We supported dictators who oppressed their people. Those people found themselves with very few political and economic opportunities. They (rightly) blamed the dictators -- and the country that kept those dictators in power.

We used the mujahadeen against the Soviets in Afghanistan -- and then abandoned them when the Soviets left. That created a heavily-armed group of jihadist combat vets and then gave them a reason to dislike us.

The Arab-Israeli conflict created lots of hatred and refugees over the decades. In my opinion, this is *mostly* the Arabs' own fault. But we've backed Israel to the hilt even when Israel was wrong. That let the Arab dictators deflect attention from their own failings by demonizing us.

None of that says we "deserved" 9/11, but it helps explain why 9/11 occurred.

 

The reasoning Bin Laden gave for the attack on 9/11 was U.S. bases being built in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim nations. And the U.S. interference in the Iran/Iraq war, where Raygun sold chemical weapons to Iraq and intelligence to Iran. And the U.S. taking the land of the Palestinians and giving it to the Jews after WWII in 1948.

 

I don't think that you get to set the boundaries of time in which other people get to feel pissed off with you.

In fact, I'm sure of it.

This is a massive fail thread.

 

The Sunni Fundamentalist waging this worldwide campaign of terror wouldnt give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about what we did to the Shiites in Iran. 9/11 was their response to Iraq. Because Iraqis are Muslims and we are not.