Boris Johnson loses crucial vote in Parliament, Brexit set to be delayed

The UK renegotiated a bunch of components of its membership in the EU. They were accepted by the EU and were contingent on the 'Remain' vote winning.

It lost. So now the UK has lost its bargaining position. The EU will negotiated FTAs with the UK, after they have left. Why would they give up their leverage when the UK is shooting itself in the feet over and over again?

 

Imagine that the EU was willing to let the status quo remain ( pun intended) and completely ignore those who voted to leave it...

 

I'm sure the EU wouldn't be happy to see one of its largest members leave. They can't stop it, but neither are they going to make it favorable for them to do so. That would just be stupid.

And it's a portion of the UK Govt ignoring the leavers at the moment, not the EU.

 

You just confirmed that my understanding was correct. You just confirmed the words yourself.

Your idea that both parties would have input into regulations is unrealistic. The EU will discuss and make (and amend) its regulations internally. For example - maybe the EU is debating whether the external covering on power cables for toasters needs to be 0.5 mm thicker. (Yes, that is the kind of thing they make regulations about.) Do you think they will go to all their trading partners and ask for input? Will they go to companies in Switzerland and Norway and Morocco and Bangladesh and China to see what they say?
No. They will just decide. And any company that wants to ship toasters into the EU will have to make their protective outer coverings 0.5 mm thicker.
That is what Britain will give up with Brexit. Any company that wants to trade into the EU will have to meet EU regulations, but Britain will no longer have a seat at the table to influence how those regulations are made.
Their choice.

 

Actually the EU does think it can keep member states in..

Which again is why the EU should have never happened.

 

I am saying both parties would have input that is how deals are made.

Simple.. Statement.. if you wont to continue the tangent you are on discuss it with someone else.. Or just admit that any deal comes with compromises..

Again simple.

 

Of course both parties have input into the deals.

I don't think anyone has suggested that as part of a trade deal, Britain would seek to have input into EU regulations. Literally the only place I have heard that is from you. And that kind of a proposal would not be realistic. The EU would shoot it down pretty quickly.

What you are suggesting gets pretty close to Britain having some of the benefits of EU membership but none of the obligations and not paying any of the fees. It is what Brits were promised during the referendum campaign, but is completely unrealistic.

 

Quote me saying it or run along... its getting to the point of harrasment.. Again putting words in someones mouth is against the rules here.. I am sure you are familiar with them.

 

I suspect that the UK may be as evenly split on the issues we are in America

And that spells stalemate

 

Yeah. The serfs should keep voting until they get it right in order to restore democracy.

 

Uh huh.



"keep voting until we get it right".

 

The EC represents a very different and much larger pool of voters than just the UK.

 

Also have the MSM keep reminding the voters that anybody who votes for Brexit is a white supremacist by definition.

Check out what is happening to Salvini in Italy. He made a stand to stem the wave of migrants (becoming the most popular politician in the country for his efforts) and the globalists pols backstabbed him and installed a shill who promises to open the door wide open. A majority of the Italian people OPPOSE the globalist elitists and yet here they are with the power.... I wonder how that happened.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-supporters-stage-big-demonstrations-protest/

 

Exactly.

It's looking more and more every day like western civilization is going to burn to the ground before we can take it back.

 

Once the belief in germs, flying machines and the abolition of slavery was considered insane. If the Brits have the courage of the morality of reason, and leave Brexit, end all tariffs, and engage in trade with any who wish, she will lead the world to a future of peace and prosperity. But she won't. She's too collectivist and too altruistic, so, too fking bad. Hong Kong's fckd. England's fckd. The world's fckd...for the time being. Hopefully, the coming New Dark Ages won't last as long as the previous one and Man regains his reason quickly.

Ayn Rand: "The philosophy of collectivism upholds the existence of a mystic (and unperceivable) social organism, while denying the reality of perceived individuals—a view which implies that man’s senses are not a valid instrument for perceiving reality. Collectivism maintains that an elite endowed with special mystic insight should rule men—which implies the existence of an elite source of knowledge, a fund of revelations inaccessible to logic and transcending the mind. Collectivism denies that men should deal with one another by voluntary means, settling their disputes by a process of rational persuasion; it declares that men should live under the reign of physical force (as wielded by the dictator of the omnipotent state)—a position which jettisons reason as the guide and arbiter of human relationships.

From every aspect, the theory of collectivism points to the same conclusion: collectivism and the advocacy of reason are philosophically antithetical; it is one or the other.--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/collectivism.html

Either the human mind lives by the principles of The Enlightenment, or Humanity falls back to the superstitious terrors of the Dark Ages.

The West is Offended by Reason Today--Yaron Brook

 

Except..y'know...like right now where the UK Voted to the leave so the EU says 'See Ya'.

*shrug* obviously the remain camp is a bit more momentum now. Otherwise it wouldn't be so difficult for the HoP to .. y'know....leave.

 

"It's the leavers that are going crazy"

Actually, look at this.

"Meh. Just some screaming about beheadings. This is fine."

 

Yeah, I can see the videos now of all the protests and public upswell against staying.

oh wait, sorry, that's HK.

 

So in your analogy the UK is Communist China.

 

No, it wasn't an analogy.

It was a 'hey, I guess you might be right, I mean, the groundswell of videos showing the people protesting and making their voice heard over the wishes of the politicians must be pretty overwhelming'.

oh wait, that isn't happening because there isn't one, and the videos of people actually rising up to show the Govt what they think are far away from the UK.

 

My thoughts are that the globalist have delayed Brexit and the EU will continue to seeing its culture, traditions, customs and languages destroyed by diversity, political correctness and Islam.

Soon all of the EU will be balkanized that will lead to a really stupid big war and the UK will be sucked into that stupid war that could have been avoided.

If the Democrats in America win in 2020, America is very likely to be sucked into that really stupid war.

 

what?

Please explain how you're trying to compare Brexit in the UK to the Chinese communist government protests.

 

*sigh* I'm not.

I was making a sarcastic comment about the plethora of groundswell opposition to those trying to stop the 'leave' side. The sarcasm was mistaking the actual groundswell protests against govt in HK for the lack of any sort of protests or opposition from the people in the UK.

 

Sounds like the plan they envision.

 

That might be because the UK already voted on the issue. Would you like me to post some pictures of the "groundswell" during the Brexit vote?

Comparing it to people who have no other recourse than to protest, because they don't get a vote in a Communist government, makes no sense.

Here you go.

The left loves "democracy" until they don't get what they want, then you should keep voting until you get democracy right.