Boris Johnson loses crucial vote in Parliament, Brexit set to be delayed

They do oppose leaving the EU without a deal, that is true.

They also oppose any deal with even a remote shred of a chance of being agreed to by the EU.

How convenient.

Fair enough, to each their own. There are certainly good points on both sides, though I lean heavily in the leave direction.

Actually Trump is polling 4 points higher than he was on election day.

I note that this sort of thinking is never applied to establishment leaders. Nobody really cares that Macron is polling at 22%, nearly half that of Trump, nor would anyone ever posit that maybe the French are having buyer's remorse.

1. Polling before the original referendum pretty consistently showed remain winning, the last poll on June 22 giving them a 10 point advantage.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

2. Current polling has remain with a 5 point lead, half of the erroneous lead they showed prior to the previous referendum.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

3. Nobody can honestly claim that if remain won there'd be continuous referenda until the leave result was achieved. Prior to the vote both sides agreed this would be the last referendum on the topic.

Based on what? The EU has consistently said they are steadfastly opposed to another extension.

The UK Parliament can pass whatever it wants. That doesn't change reality. On Oct 31 without the EU blatantly showing their hand, the UK will leave the EU.

Eh, majoritarian government has its own set of plusses and minuses. Take us in Australia where we had 5 PMs in 5 years.

Silly comment.

 

Here is what I originally wrote

Emphasis added. That is what you seemed to be responding to when you said:

Asking for clarification of what you meant is hardly harassment.

My point is this - no matter what deal the EU reaches with Britain on trade, that deal will almost certainly NOT give Britain any ability to influence EU regulations.

Do you disagree?

 

if clinton won she would have won despite 51.8% voting against her to
NEITHER of them got a majority of the votes in 2016

 

It’s a government incapable of following through with the demands of the people.

 

Like with the electoral college?
Sucks to vote on something and then have someone go “na, we like it better this way. Thanks for your vote though”

 

Because nobody is prepared to solve the problem of the land border on the island of Ireland. Including 'the people'.

 

Sorry. We can’t just have NY and CA decide elections.

We have a republic, not a democracy.

 

One US citizen should be one vote.
No more, no less

Republicans agreed with this until they saw it benefited them and then immediately changed their opinion.
There is a name for that, several actually

 

You mean the method that has been used intentionally since the country was founded?

 

I'll even fine tune it further, for the benefit of my conservatives friends... I don't know how you feel about it, but this is how I feel.

I don't believe those currently in prison on a felony charge should be allowed to vote...

 

Yes, by the same people that allowed an amendment process and said the constitution may need to be rewritten occasionally because they knew their system 250 years ago would probably become outdated.

 

I am torn on that point to be honest.
I agree because it makes sense on paper, commit a grievous enough crime and your rights are forfeit
I disagree because many people are wrongly incarcerated and what’s to stop the government from just giving everyone that disagrees with them a felony and revoking their right to vote.

 

Then amend away.

 

Democrats are already working on it or other legal avenues including the NPVIC

 

Awesome.

Either way the left loses.

They get their way and the US burns to the ground, and they lose OR they just fail due to incompetence as usual.

 

As long as the left loses that’s all that matters, including the US burning to the ground.

That about sums up what the right has become these days

 

No. The US will definitely burn to the ground if progressives get what they want.

 

Probably, the same is true for the neo-cons, the US functions best when we are centrist and working together.

Something neither side wants at the moment.

 

Except when they need money.

 

What things seem to you is on you.

 

Right the EU has not fought this every step of the way...( sarcasm)

I have no idea where you get your information but i would look elsewhere.