California’s Status As A Special Snowflake In The Automotive World May Be Ending

To the contrary, it is the fabulous constitutionalism of limited government, preserving our individual freedoms. You find it offensive because you are an oligarchist, imagining that you will be in control of the levers of central power and able to command the choices of others through the force of government. Your problem is that your views of government are unconstitutional.

But they are required to use more of their resources to serve the pipedreams of the regulators. Foundational to our system of government is first that WE are the legitimate just power, we merely lend it to government for specific purposes, and secondly that each of us follows our OWN dreams, we are not harnessed to the pipedreams of foolish regulators.

Well, first, does the State have a Legitimate Interest?
Secondly, is this the least intrusive means of meeting that interest?

Yes, these regulators like making others more conscious of their carbon footprint so much, that they will gleefully fly in their private jets to view the awakening.

And you are welcome to them. You can connect your battery operated drill to your bicycle for all we care, what you are not free to do is unconstitutionally take OUR resources, to serve YOUR pipedreams.

Have you replaced one after metal thieves cut it out from under your vehicle to sell the $40 in metal they can get from the recycler? It can cost you $1200 to replace it.

If the regulators can meet both prongs of the test, they are free to take the resources from us.

 

This is a great move, and one I have been looking for.

California believes it can dictate environmental policy for every citizen in every state. Because of the size of the market, it can and has, forced consumers in other states to cover the cost of their policies.

For example, their mandates for certain levels of ZEV vehicle sales in the state has raised the cost of vehicles in the other 49 states by an estimated $1,800.

California should have no power to determine on it's own what Federal Environmental Standards should be.

 

I remember when LA had much more smog than today. Flying into Mexico City in Mexico is what LA would probably look like if not for more stringent pollution control. So, CA. has to look after their own self interests, right? Not sure but I think Ca's more stringent pollution laws in regards to cars, helped to reduce smog in LA. A good thing for the people living and visiting there, I would think.

 

So what are Californians getting for their tax dollars? Nothing. They have some the worst polluted cities in the country.

Average tax: 73.13 cents per gallon

In 2015, transportation research group TRIP reported that 51% of California’s highways were in poor condition.

But to fund road maintenance, local drivers were already paying a 2.25% sales tax on gas and 50 cents more per gallon than the rest of the country. Then, in November 2017, the state's gas tax went up by another 12 cents!

The gas tax will be raised yet again, by another 7.5 cents a gallon, in July 2019. Ouch

https://moneywise.com/a/states-with-the-highest-gasoline-taxes

Obviously, They are not using the tax money they collect on pollution. They just tax to line their own pockets.

 

That is exactly right.

Proposed rule changes likely this week:

The Trump administration will seek to revoke California’s authority to regulate automobile emissions — including its mandate for electric car sales — in a proposed revision of Obama-era standards (phone/pen waiver), according to three people familiar with the plan.

The proposal, expected to be released this week, sets up a high-stakes battle over California’s unique ability to combat air pollution and, if finalized, is sure to set off a protracted courtroom battle.

The proposed revamp would put the brakes on federal rules to require infeasible fuel efficiency into the next decade. Instead it will cap federal fuel economy requirements at the 2020 level, which under federal law must be at least a 35-mile-per-gallon fleet average, rather than letting them rise to roughly 50 mpg by 2025 as envisioned in the plan left behind by Obama, according to the people.

As part of the effort, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency will propose revoking the Clean Air Act waiver granted to California that has allowed the state to regulate carbon emissions from vehicle tailpipes and force carmakers to sell electric vehicles in the state in higher numbers.

The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration will likewise assert that California is barred from regulating greenhouse gas emissions from autos under the 1975 law that established the first federal fuel-efficiency requirements, the people said.

This is headed to court.

In District Court–California wins.
Ninth Circus–California wins.
Supreme Court–Trump wins.​

 

Great.

I remember the first time I went to L.A. in the 70's. The air was so thick with smog that I was blowing black stuff
from my nose for three days.

I'm so proud that Trump will make it possible for that to happen again. All hail Trump.

And by the way - the California standards did not start in 2002 - they started in the 80's precisely because L.A. smog was so incredibly bad. It's sad that the morons of the Trump administration and the Trump FanBoys have forgotten that.

 

Utter bullshit. Obama's pen/phone crap took place after the 2009 election, decades after the 70's era LA smog had been cleaned up. Further, CA is welcome to require everyone to ride mopeds, they simply can't force other states to underwrite their regulatory pipedreams.

 

Moronic statement on your part. How do you think California was able to clean up the horrendous L.A. air? Magic Pixie dust? So if you return to lax air quality standards, how long will it take L.A. to go back to the way it was?

Children with asthma die from air pollution around the world every year. Why do you want to kill more children?​

 

Your problem is that's just not true. Consumers (as a group) don't prefer cleaner, more fuel efficient vehicles. Oh don't get me wrong.... if I could snap my fingers and get 20 MPG more than I already get I would do it.... but carbon footprint is just not a deciding factor for the overwhelming majority of consumers.

 

Awesome news.

Hope Trump can make some 2nd amendment progress as well.

 

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Actually it was especially brilliant.

It was largely cleaned up decades before the magic pixie dust of Obama's Pen and Phone.

I see you are reduced to slander and fabrication, again, Sad!

Regulators are welcome to regulate, under Constitutionally limited government, those they govern IF they can meet the two pronged test:

i) They have a legitimate need they are constitutionally mandated by the citizenry to meet.

If the first prong is met, we go to the second.
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ii) The proposed regulation is the least intrusive means of meeting that need.

In this case, we have a much bigger problem, the CA Progtards are attempting to take from those they are not even constitutionally empowered to even regulate, Silly!

 

You see the recent 9th circus ruling that if Hawaii effectively ends concealed carry that it cannot restrict open carry, because the right to keep and bear arms clearly protects the right not merely to own guns but to carry them about with you?

Never forget as we begin the long trek back to Constitutional Representative Rule, that the GOP Never-Trumpers would have permitted Hillary, as one of her first acts to reconstitute the Warren Court with a dependable 5 vote progtard majority and kept us in the wilderness for another 40 years.

 

Really moronic statement on your part.

The "legitimate need," is the need to breath clean air to live. Only half-wits who were never in L.A. prior to California's more stringent air quality standards would want to return to that crap. It was horrendous. You wouldn't even have know L.A. was surrounded by mountains.

Holy crap. How stupid does one have to be to s**t in their own yard just to say they pissed off a few environmentalists.

Trump FanBoys would literally cut off their own dicks if they thought it might tick off a Democrat.

 

That word, you keep mindlessly repeating it, I do not think it means what you think it means.

And that's a legitimate need, which takes you to prong two of the test.

You keep mindlessly going on and on about that. LA air was cleaned up decades before corrupt Obama got out his pen and his phone and granted CA these waivers that Trump has under review, Silly! CA has no constitutional power to regulate beyond the borders of CA, Silly!

Mindless incoherent mutterings, enjoy them!

 

I sure did see that. Could be a way to keep the issue from going to SCOTUS, where it would overturned.

Still, there is more to be hopeful for now then before.

I was a kid during Reagan, never known this kind of winning before.






Time for Trump to take the California EPA, etc down a peg.

 

I have two points. One from personal experience.

I did my last two years of college at UCSD in the late 90s and to get my late model car pass all the inspections alone coming from Texas cost nearly five hundred dollars. It is an outright scam and a Bald faced one at that to require ALL cars coming into California pay 100s of dollars for one inspection even if it's brand new if bought out of state. It's extortion. My car was freekin nearly brand new. By definition that is unreasonable, unfair regulatory action taken by the State to rip off citizens.

My other point is the silly racism in the thread. It's very hard to persist with points of merit and common sense like my argument just above when racist opinions start jumping all over the illegals as a main issue. It deflects away from the actual strong case for change. It gives leftists something to yap about as well. Are those things issues? Yessss, do illigal do that? Sure.. But I bet many lower income people do because the crap is retardedly expensive and you can't squeeze water out of a rock when you got a family to feed. California emissions guidelines and it's fees are so exorbitant they force people to break the law or come up short with rent or food?

Drop the hammer on those mothers Feds.

 

Reagan greatest mistake, his VP, has finally been rectified. At long last, we have finally elected the true heir to Reagan.

The same backstabbers that fought Reagan, fought Trump and had they had their way, Hillary, in her first act, would have secured five reliable lockstep progtard votes on the Supreme Court and reconstituted the Warren Court, by replacing Scalia with a progtard.

It was ALL on the line in 2016.

 

Ah, so this is how "conservatives" get past supporting states' rights, by calling those states "snowflakes" and using the "troll the libs" mentality. I didn't think it was possible for so many to fall so low.

 

Total mindless crap on your part. How do you think L.A. air is maintained at a bit more reasonable quality than in the 70's despite ever growing numbers of cars? Holy crap, dude. It's like you think magic Trump wishes makes your s**t not stink.
Air quality doesn't remain better just because it was once cleaned up. It's a constant process. Of all the stupid things I have seen posted here, your idea that air magically continues to clean itself is the most absurd. Congratulations.

 

L O L! Yeah, Reagan, the champion of free markets and tough stances would have definitely loved this big orange ***** who can't stand toe to toe with Russia and can't negotiate without using the most protectionist tools this country has.

 

This clearly is not a federalism issue. The EPA have asserted their authority granting to states the possibility of an exception. This isn't a right reserved to the states, or individuals.

 

Agree. And the democrats make more in taxes on the gas than the "greedy" oil companies they despise.

"winter blend" gas with shitty mileage.

People go to mexico or Arizona to get gas.

The roads suck.

Light em up, Trump.

BTW-I had lunch at DZ Akins the other day, ever been?

 

It is amazing how Trump supporters are able to twist themselves into pretzels. To be able to applaud Trump's actions they are going against everything they beleive in. States rights and Adam Smith's invisible hand (remember CA is the customer in this case).
Of course what really comes out in this thread is Trump and his minions just wanting to stick it to a liberal state gratuitously.

I see that in your guys views, small states should not only have a disproportionate voice in the senate and the electoral college, but should also dictate how the larger states chose to regulate their laws. You know what they say about if it weren't for double standards.....

 

State's rights are constitutionally limited as is all government power, in order to preserve our Individual rights. Democrat States, prior to the Civil War claimed that "State's Rights" allowed a majority to enslave, rape and lynch the minority. This is where republicanism regulates democracy (small r and d not the political parties). We do not live in a pure democracy. Remember, in a gang rape, the majority want to have sex, but the constitutional rights of the victim are still massively violated. And before the civil war amendments that the Democrat states had to ratify in order to be readmitted to union after the Republican States kicked their asses, the 14th amendment allows the Federal Government to secure the rights of Americans, even against State over-reach. Prior to these amendments, while the our Founding documents recognised these rights, the Federal government was not expressly authorized to secure them. It took the killing of 30% of the military aged males in the Democrat States for our nation to achieve this civil rights advancement, but, that price was paid.

CA's government power even in the State of CA is limited by the individual rights of Californians.
CA has ZERO right to take from folks outside of CA, Silly!

 

The Orange Tornado for Good has been so strong against the Russians that there is concern that Russian will attempt to rig our elections this year in order to help the Democrats because Trump has the Russians on the ropes.