California’s Status As A Special Snowflake In The Automotive World May Be Ending

Where CA has a legitimate need, they may regulate CALIFORNIANS. They have no Constitutional authority force other Americans to pay their bill, Silly!

Why, thank you!

 

California has always led the pack in emissions controls. And eventually the rest of the country followed. I remember what were then called 3rd stage smog alerts, when it was so smoggy that it looked like a fog. We weren't allowed to go out at recess because it was too dangerous to breathe the air. At one time, living in the San Fernando valley was equivalent to smoking a pack a day. I remember standing on the roof of our apartment and not being able to see a hill about a quarter mile away. Not anymore! The air quality has improved so much that they had to rescale the smog alert system. It was also reversed, so that stage 1 is the worst, instead of stage 3. But the need to lower the levels for smog alerts shows that emission controls have been fantastically successful. Now trump wants to open the door to Los Angeles looking like Beijing or Mexico city.

Remember the Olympics where the air in Beijing was so bad they were worried about the athletes? See the videos of Chinese walking around with filter masks on their faces. Apparently this is what the trump administration wants to see here.

He runs his administration like a shthole. And now he wants to make the country a shthole.

 

So how about it righties, is this what you want for your children and grandchildren? I remember the bad old days. Is that what we want again, air quality so bad that it isn't safe for children to play outside? Thanks to California, and only because of California, which has led the way in forcing auto makers to make cleaner cars, this situation has improved dramatically.

 

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Beijing

 

You clearly didn’t read the article.

 

Is the smog that thick in other cites outside of California today?

 

Weird, all you guys can do is repeat the same points that don't interact with the issue.

All that has nothing to do with the fact that LA cleaned up its smog decades before Obama gave them the waiver that Trump is considering not extending.

Two, CA has no authority to force other states to underwrite their regulations, Silly!

 

LA lies in basin the traps smog. Moronic post on your part.

 

Weird. You’re still making moronic posts that indicate you think air magically stays clean forever.

 

I'm a 5th generation Southern Californian. I didn't just visit LA in the '70's, I had been living there for a few decades.

So, back to the question your moronic post ran from.

You claim putting California under the same environmental regulations as the rest of the Nation will result in smog being as thick as it was in the '70's.

Name a city outside of California today, that has smog as thick as LA did in the '70's.

 

Name a city that has the population and topography that traps smog like LA has. It’s ignorant to try to compare it to other US cities. It’s unique.

 

So much for states' rights. Trump has declared them untrumpian.

 

I thought conservatives were all for states rights? This seems like increasing the reach and scope of federal government to me. Go big gov?

 

Oh, I see, now you're throwing in a bunch of qualifiers. I understand why you've done so, since you can't name a single city, not even Denver, that operates under 49 state guidelines, but has smog like LA in the '70's. How about half the smog?

So, name the differences between the regulations the CARB has adopted, and those set by the EPA for the other 49 states. Which of those regulations that could be reverted back to 49 state standards will result in returning air quality to what it was in the '70's?

 

No other state in the United States has been allowed to set it's own clean air standards. Only California has been granted that right.

Are you suggesting Obama didn't care about states rights?

How about those states that don't care about what California does, but are impacted by it, given the size of the economy? Should citizens in Virginia be subsidizing California's electric vehicle mandates?

 

Certain areas of California have a unique geographic challenge in terms of air pollution. The mountains block the air flow off the Pacific - trapping the air in major crowded cities such as L.A. To the contrary, most of the population of Florida is on a narrow strip of land less than 100 miles wide and is flat between the winds of the Atlantic and winds of the Gulf Of Mexico - for which tailpipe tests aren't even done.

It is not uncommon to see custom cars or otherwise for sale in California for which the seller specifies they are selling it became their vehicle can not meet unique California rules or pass California's tailpipe test.

While generally I don't like regulations, I do see reason why Californians need stricter emissions control due to their geographic situation. However, I see NO reason why people in other states should be subsidizing anything in such regards as no one is forced to live and stay in California.

 

And yet, it is not. Trying to justify poor policy on the premise that LA is "unique" demonstrates the abject stupidity of those who assert it as such. Never been the Denver? How about SLC? Atlanta? Dallas? Any large metro area in the summer?

CA needs to have it's rarified status removed. It needs to be brought to heel as the rest of the nation now demands it.

 

Put you down as another supporter of state’s rights - until it’s on a subject YOU don’t like. Same crap, different day.

 

Why should one nutbag state get to dictate emissions standards for all 49 other states?

 

CA can enforce whatever crazy standards it wants, as long as it doesn't negatively affect anyone else. They want to make it difficult to sell a car there, then that's on them.

 

They don’t, private companies decide this. California is not mandating emission standards - 13 states and the District of Columbia use CARB regulations, the states have chosen to do this. If polluting states don’t like it they can refuse delivery of these vehicles if their market share can back up this request.

 

The same..

Even a blind squirrel will find an acorn occasionally..

 

Sure they are. It isn't feasible for car companies to mfg on set of cars for Cali, and another for the sane part of the country.

If Cali wants special restrictions, they should charge Californians for upgrades before the cars can be sold in Cali. No need for the rest of us to subsidize California's lunacy.

 

Not at the expnse of individual rights, Silly!

By removing a waiver that never existed until Obama? It merely returns things to the state of affairs before Obama.

 

There's no individual right to pollute or drive cars with a poor MPG rating. Clearly you favor partisanship over ideology.