California’s Status As A Special Snowflake In The Automotive World May Be Ending

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  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    >>I have to allow my tractor to burn off exhaust every 15 run hours.<<

    Please elaborate, I'm not following.
     
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    You missed the point. It's BLACK smoke they are emitting. Thus, from a lefties point of view it's racism and bigotry.
     
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    Due to California emission standards, newer tractors will super heat exhaust to burn off particulates inside.
     
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    Sorry I didn’t spell it out for you and used too many words.
    No - the fed sets a minimum
     
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    So, do you just have to allow it to idle for awhile? How do you do that?
     
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    Yeah, you basically have to stop working and wait 15 mins to finish.
     
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    All the idling laws and that is what you have to do?
     
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    How is his post bigotry? Get a grip man.
     
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    I've noticed this too, I suspect its because the school authorities can't afford to correct the problem and since they're funded by the government they get a pass. Seems unfair to me since if my car doesn't pass the smog check I don't get a pass if I can't afford to fix it.
     
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    What about all of California's boycotts and travel bans past and present ?

    I'm not referring to liberal activist organized boycotts but boycotts and travel bans passed by the California's socialist state legislature and signed into law by a liberal loony Governor.
     
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    It is pretty frustrating. Worst part is if it begins this cycle just as you are finishing a job, you have to let it idle until it completes. I once forgot my tractor running for 2.5 hours behind the barn, lol. Good thing it is diesel and had plenty of fuel.
     
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    It may have set the minimums for the 49 other states, but it granted a waiver allowing California to set it's own standards. Renewable every year.

    And the answer is yes, California could set levels below Federal Standards, if it chose to. They would likely not have the waiver renewed the following year, which would then require the state to revert to the Federal standards once the waiver expires.

    Does any other state have this right? No.
     
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    Apart from the fact that the action really stinks of the fact that the US industry lobby wants to prevail here and has found a willing idiot with Trump ... Trump had promoted with Scott Pruitt an avowed friend of the oil industry to the EPA top and one Vulture rarely outwits another vulture's eye ... so he's doing well in his job for the oil lobby work, for which these limits are a dread!

    It is correct that California has an exemption rule here, otherwise the EPA rules apply, but with the addition that every US state has the right to apply the California regulations in its territory instead.
    Trump and his controversial EPA chief Pruitt are therefore thinking aloud about abolishing California's privilege and eliminating the addition to the state. That would be the power struggle between Washington and the most populous US state ... and where the California rules have ... but only really driven to the extreme and the deep trench in the US society would be significantly deeper!
    In addition to California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and the District of Columbia are also challenging EPA's action.
     
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    They allowed this waver due to the compelling and exceptional nature that was causing such pollution issues in California. What benifit or right does the federal government have to tell states they have to allow more pollution? 13 states have decided that they value air quality - if the remaining states are so upset about it then boycott those products.
     
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    And? They have chosen to not do business with states that specifically violate the rights of their citizens. I wish more states would do this. If this is California “forcing itself on the nation” what did those states do during the election when the average California voter only received .7th of a vote while someone in Tennessee received almost two votes? Now that seems like force - not a boycott.
     
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    "They" ?

    "They" are mostly reconquista socialist who have no roots or shallow roots in America who don't represent their U.S. citizen constituents but non citizens,

    Arizona's SB 1070 didn't violate any American citizens rights since SB 1070 dealt with illegal aliens, criminals, non citizens, bad hombres.

    Because Arizona refused to protect criminals who were not citizens, California boycotted Arizona.

    Years later, some cities still ban employees from traveling to Arizona over SB 1070 -> https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...-sb-1070-boycott-travel-ban-cities/312893001/
     
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    You may not agree with CAs politics (and clearly you don't) but you don't think that a state should be allowed to decide how its state funded organizations chose to spend their money??? If they don't want to participate financially into the states coffers of another state whose policies they strongly disagree with , why is that wrong according to you?

    Now the policy may be stupidly implemented, or be obsolete, but the right of the state to decide not to condone other states behaviour that they find reprehensible by not participating in their economy really doesn't shock me
     
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    No...

    Democrats in California are focused almost exclusively on legislation which either had to do with wealth redistribution or creating new “rights” for alleged victims such as illegal aliens, criminals, union members, homosexuals, transgenders and other “oppressed” PC groups. The reality is that the average middle class Californian hasn’t had representation in the halls of Sacramento for decades.
     
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    56 million mostly democratic citzens in California and New York are represented by 4 senators in the senate. Think of how many small red states, each represented by 2 senators it takes to get to that number? And then you guys are going to whine on this site about having to suffer from the effects of another state far away?
    I will also remind you one last time, that none of you are subsidizing California car purchases. Private enterprises have made a decision to cater to the desires of it's largest market. You all are free to not buy their product, or to pressure the car industry to make cars that fit your needs. If there is enough demand the car industry will build it. That is the very essence of how the free market works.
    There are many things that we as taxpayers subsidize that we would rather not (didn't Trump just subsidize the farming industry to the tune of 12 billion dollars?)
    This is not one of them.
    This is a market economy not going the way you would like. Not the same thing at all.
     

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