California Looks to Ban Diesel Trucks Weeks After Facing Electric Blackouts

You mean the bill that ALSO gave authority to EPA to regulate green house gasses?

 

The engine's are certified when they are built. That's all they need.

 

No they didn't. Try reading it again. In English this time.

 

They exist and aren’t used very much. Diesels are racking up ranges many times larger than any of those… Also, does that include fully loaded?

Oh you can get 230 miles of range on the F-150 Lightning! Then when we tow something, we get about 90 miles total.

Id venture that none of those trucks get those ranges in real world applications, and if they do, that’s almost as bad.

 

Great, haven't looked in a while. Light duty sells between 15 and 18 million a year depending on things like recessions. So what?

 

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Awhile? LMAOROG. You pulling crap out of your ^ss then making excuses

 

Good thing Cali isn't banning them tomorrow right?

 

Sure they did, gave you the link, twice

 

Says the enjeneeer?

CARB passes “smog check” regulation for heavy duty trucks and buses

https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/news/carb-passes-smog-check-regulation-heavy-duty-trucks-and-buses

Starting January 1, 2023, trucks must have a 2010 model year engine or newer to continue entering California ports and railyards.

Trucks with 2010 or newer engines are fully compliant with both the Truck and Bus and Drayage regulations. The exchange of marine or rail cargo (e.g. containers) between compliant and noncompliant drayage trucks is not allowed anywhere in California.

 

No, just not as obsessed with arguing on the internet as you.

 

Got it, unlike me, you don't care if what you posit is factual. Thanks for the clarification

 

Right. Any 2010 and newer engines are certified WHEN THEY ARE BUILT to standards applicable then. For your information, 2010 was when heavy duty diesels had SCR added (you know, okay you probably don't, SCR systems require urea or as it's called comercially, Ad Blue).

So in January you need a newer truck to get into the port. Other than reducing the number of trucks and truckers willin to service the port, so what?

 

No, you just don't seem to have anything worthwhile to add. If you went away the quality of the discussion would improve. So it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

 

You keep forgetting stuff, your original posit

"Great. They should be real price competetive with a used regular truck under it's 7th owner who just reconfigures some old thing he's bought cheap."

Changed hands 7 times since 2010? Cheap?

Your inability to be honest is noted though

 

You said "yard trucks". That's an application that can be and are used in a lot more places than ports.

Again, if you're narrowly focused on ports, yeah, Califonia has proven itself to be able to be incredibly stupid many times over. So what.

But if you're talking about trucks in general, that's a much broader subject.

 

It's 275 miles from Port of Los Angeles to the nearest State border. You'll need 3 battery swaps to make sure you make it. There are already a line of trucks at the CA border because so many truckers refuse to enter the state which has created a business for folks to haul to the border, unhook and hook up for the return trip.

As insane as CA had gotten, I'd say that we need much heavier railroad and highway access to the Puget Sound and to greatly enlarge the Panama Canal so that that these goods can be offloaded in Texas and the Gulf States. That, or use the Federal Government's Interstate Commerce power to mandate uniform national standards to critical infrastructure like the LA/Long Beach and San Francisco Bay Harbors.

 

Wow you're all over the place I guess that's the usual tactic, once one has run out of bullshit on one front it's time to derail to another subject and so on and so forth LMAO

 

The average truck doesn't last 15 years. I already sourced it.
Your idea that a truck lasts 50 years, or changes hands 7 times... you're just making it all up.


And sure. Somewhere there is a truck who got that record.
But nobody cares about one "unicorn", when the average truck gets kicked to the curb under 15 years.
The US aint no run down nation like Cuba where they tinker on whatever to keep it working... Cuba where you prob. got your engineering degree from.

 

Sure. You just keep telling yourself you're a genius. Maybe it could happen some day.

 

For sure.

"Climate" is the perfect disguise, because the proles will always think it's a good thing.

 

Well I sourced how it is. You did not source how it's not.
So that ends the discussion.

 

Where did you get that information from?

Where I live (not America), a decent truck will hold it's value well beyond 15 years. No one would ditch a truck after 15 years if it was still running - that would be absolutely insane.

 

It's the other way around.
Sticking to oil and coal is the perfect disguise. People make billions in that industry and so power and control.
The oil and coal industry are the also the ones who pay "scientists" to write up reports that favors climate change denial.
And some people follow those paid commercials like lemmings.

 

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The thing about cars and trucks that getting older then 15 years in general is the cost of maintenance. It goes up. They simply will start a seemingly endless cascade of crap that breaks. And so the reliability goes down. So it's not just about the cost of repair, it's also the cost of not making money while waiting till the truck is repaired. That's why trucks gets "ditched" IMHO. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me that them 2nd hand trucks end up in Latin America where "mañana" is an accepted thing and manual labor is cheap for repairs. That, or they get used for spare parts since the total of spare parts is usually worth far more then the truck on its own.

Afterall, they also use trucks in Latin America, Africa, Eastern Europe etc.
Not all are able to afford brand new trucks or cars. There is an industry around it.