California permanently eliminates high school exit exam requirement

Objective tests can do that. Test recall I mean. There may well be a case for exams in certain circumstances but for most educational purposes they're not that useful. Those occupations that require recall can use exams to test but only where directly applicable. For school or even higher education I think there are other ways of assessment which are better than exams.

 

Which is your point? Eliminating exams or that everyone should be able to be a physician?

 

Why does 2+2=4?

 

Mike continuous assessment to check learning during a term or semester or whatever the timetable is called. Diagnostic assessment with tests is fine, it's good to see how people are going on a topic or unit. Summative assessment with production of work that demonstrates mastery or at least competence is also useful. Exams have their place but that place should be limited.

 

Eliminating exams is foolish. If there are no exams, we have no way to gauge what a person has learned.

Would you go to a surgeon who never passed an exam in medical school? Would you get on a plane with a pilot who never passed an aviation test?

 

There are ways to gauge learning. Exams are one way. Just like there are various ways of learning there are various ways of assessing learning. I'm not suggesting no assessment at all. I'm discussing various ways of summative assessment.

A question. How should a pilot be assessed? How should a surgeon be assessed? I know the thread is about end of high school but it's taking an interesting twist. How should pilots and surgeons be assessed?

 

I would imagine those professions have established guidelines to test for competence. I'm sure exams are part of the process.

 

And I'd say it's extremely likely they do have exams, yes. And I hope you'd agree that there are assessments of competency as well. So it's a mix of assessments, which is appropriate.

But on the central topic, exams in high school, I'm still of a mind to suggest that exams are not appropriate. I suppose the basis of my objection is that an exam is a snapshot at a given time. A student could be nervous or unwell and do poorly, with a result that doesn't reflect the person's true ability. On the other hand they could get a paper with everything they studied and nothing of what they didn't study (happened to me in Geography in my final school exam, I arsed a top 10% in the state, my geography teacher couldn't believe it). It's a bit hit and miss. But then I'm not a fan of normative referenced assessments anyway, I prefer criterion reference or mastery approaches.

 

Sounds like Trump will get more votes in Cali (if he is still around in 2020).

Good old Donnie "I love the poorly educated" Trump.

 

How would that work? Say we're talking about high school algebra. How would you assess that in a way that can be compared with other students in different schools in different states?

 

California will be issuing Participation Diplomas soon!

 

It's the only solution.

Life is sometimes "unequal".

 

You probably just caused thousands of California students to go binge drinking with mention of a bar exam...

 

For algebra the student has to know certain algorithms to solve the problem. An exam would test the ability of the student to remember and apply the appropriate algorithm to the problem. That assessment can be done in the classroom as part of an overall assessment of mathematical competency. I'm not arguing against assessment, only the concept of a single, final exam. As for other students in different schools I think this is where the debate between norm-referenced and criterion-referenced testing comes in. If you're testing for mastery or competence then the performance of other students (wherever they are) is irrelevant. Either a student can do it or they can't - yet. Some might need more time, more coaching, more practice, to achieve competence or mastery. But that's a whole new discussion.

 

I know I don’t care. But don’t worry, Hollywood will pay the rebuild bill.

 

So in other words, an exam.

Congrats, you've just re-invented the wheel.

 

Not at all. I'm not condemning assessment, only suggesting that the final exam model isn't very useful.

 

They seem extremely useful both for assessing for success in college and for comparing students across states and nations. I'm still not sure what you want to do instead of that.

 

. A lot of places here already do.

 

Trump ought to "permanently eliminate" Californias school funding. If the state has no academic achievement standards, why pay teachers, or supply teaching materials? Give them their H.S. diplomas day one of pre-school.

 

I would say using Mexifornia instead of California is a bigoted comment.

 

Why it's the truth or is the land of fruits and nuts more to your liking?

 

Oh yeah, that's a great idea.

 

No, it isn't the truth. It's still California.

 

The backlash will be that a roll of Crooked Hillary's toilet paper will be worth more than a California high school diploma.

How many businesses, colleges and even the U.S. military who will not recognize a California high school diploma ?

These Democrats in California are really ****ing up California bigly.

Remember back when America was great when California was # 1 in everything including having the best public school system in America ???

That was before there were liberal's in the Democrat party.