Then the laws under which you and other Americans live aren't any of your business either, which is a pretty strange attitude for an American. Better you should ask why you would add to that misery by putting a happy face on homosexuality.
The question of the thread is..''So does the cause of homosexuality matter to you in your opinions surrounding the social, political, or moral aspects of homosexuality?'' My answer is no, what do I care about the cause it really does not matter to me. The cause of Homosexuality is really none of my every day business, maybe if I had a son or daughter who was Gay it would be, but for now the cause does not alter my life at all. If they are happy then I am happy for them, why shouldn't I be? Should I wish them harm? why? Everybody deserves some happiness in life, if they were not attracted to each other than they would not be together. Sex is just another activity as far as I am concerned, one that two people can enjoy and expand on together. Do they care that I like woman? They are two people in love, better two people in love than at each others throat disagreeing about who should sleep with who,,,,,,, The laws that I live under also say Pot is illegal,,,,''sometimes'' LOL These things are of little personal concern to me and have very little to do with how I live my life. Firecrackers are illegal, yet every year the skies light up all over our beautiful country. Booze use to be illegal, how did that work out? Just because some politicians get together and decide on some law that benefits both them and somebody else, does not necessarily mean it is a just or good law. With this,,,Homosexuality, I just can not get excited one way or another has to why a person is that way. What are they supposed to do?, sleep with the opposite sex to make others happy? Force them into heterosexuality? To me, that should be against the law....
They aren't. Better you should ask why you DO them harm by helping to enable their delusion. and obviously you don't give a damn whether that happiness is fraudulent or not. I'm not talking to them, I'm talking to you.
Of course the causes of homosexuality matter, as do the causes of all the other mental illnesses. Until the cause is known, effective preventive measures cannot be taken, nor can efficacious treatments become available. To state the condition does not have a cause is to subvert physics....ALL reactions have a prior initiating action. But here's the rubs: Scenario I: Let's say that a specific genetic sequence is a sure-fired 100% marker predicting if a boy is going to grow up to be gay, and let's say that it's possible to test for the condition pre-natally. Women, of course, will start testing their children for this birth defect and many will murder their unborn gonna-be-gay boy children...and the people dumb enough to believe Obama's stupid tale about the American's "war on women" will be find themselves banning certain tests and protesting abortion on demand. Scenario II: If it's determined that it's not genetics, but a known chemical imbalance in the uterus that deforms a male child into homosexuality, then will there be a major public information campaign to make pregnant women of this peculiar aspect of pre-natal health? It's guaranteed that the people stupid enough to vote for Obama will be opposed to informing any woman about this crucial piece of health information. After all, the unborn gays have rights, too, don't they? Scenario III: It's a birth defect due to prenatal influences but it can be corrected with a serious of chemical treatments and training. It's guaranteed that if a cure for this particular illness is found, it won't be covered by O-BAAA-AAA-AAA-MACare. Scenario IV: It's caused by some combination of the above, plus post-natal environmental experiences, what the Who called the Uncle Ernie Effect. There's a solid movement already in place to pretend that certain mental illnesses can't ever be treated, and it'a violation of the protesting people's civil rights to even suggest to someone else that a treatment might be effected. The Myth must be protected.
it's not my fault that I am heterosexual, I never had a choice.... did you? if you did, they your bi-sexual....
Well, they sure seem to be happy and it would not be up to anybody else but them I do not believe there is a delusion, they are attracted to the same sex. Why would you sleep with somebody you are not attracted to? That makes no sense at all. Besides it's their life, not yours. Look, I do not question your veracity on the subject, I truly believe you feel the way you do. Why not extend them the same courtesy and leave them alone? Homosexuality is not ''catchy'',,,so have no fear....LOL Fraudulent? How could you possibly be that presumptive? What facts could you possibly have to back that up? So you are telling me you are willing to ruin their lives based on what? Who ''you'' think they should be happy with? yguy, live and let live, if they are making some sort of mistake it's their mistake not yours. I have a cousin who has been gay as far back as I can remember, it was very difficult for her coming from a strict Italian family. She has been with her mate for over thirty five years, how many straight people can say that? and if she's not happy BOY does she have me fooled... Imagine that, gave up her entire life to fool others,,,,,,come on..! OK,,you are talking to me, what do you want me to do? Hate where there is no hate? Shove my nose in another persons business? Nope, like I said before, it's just none of my business. If anything I am happy for anybody that finds happiness with another, they have one life to live and it would be horribly wrong for me to condemn that life just because it is not the same as mine,,,period! I have no idea how a man can be sexually attracted to another man/woman. I also have no idea how Tiger Woods can hit a golf Ball as far as he does,,,such is life....
Seems that in the U.S. we enjoy a privilege of free association... unless, of course, the government dictates otherwise. In which case we have a bigger problem than personal approvals. There is no question 'why can't we...'.
That rate is by no means higher than heterosexual menmolesting little gorl and raping women! And, MANY of those molestations by heterosexual men happen within the family or close frinds of the family and is not reported!
Seems to me that it is not gay people suffering from delusions! You do know that homophobia, as, as all phobia IS recognized as a mental disorder, right? Homosexuality IS NOT, and hasn't been for many years!
Then why are they so insistent on shoving their immorality down the throats of others? Of course you don't, because it's easier to believe a lie than to face the fact that you can be made to believe one. How in hell is that a courtesy? First, I'm not doing anything to them. Second, they're not leaving me alone. They're trying to get legitimization of their perversion codified into the law under which I live. Well I dunno about that. It has, after all, infected you with the affinity for lies that necessarily accompanies it, if nothing else. The fact that homosexual relationships are against human nature means people can't engage in them without believing a lie, which makes fraudulent any semblance of happiness they may experience. You're welcome. You have me confused with someone else. Why would any straight people want to? You got that right. She's fooling herself as well, like anyone else who lives in sin. Stop making excuses for perversion, and face the fact that you've been had. Then your best option is to shut the Hell up about it. I doubt you even understand what that is. If you did, you'd understand that a life based on a lie isn't really life at all. And in a few decades, pedophilia won't be either. Isn't science wonderful?
Of course it matters since the entire gay argument is based solely on its ability to tag along to the real civil rights movement of the 60s which dealt with race and gender two specific genetic traits. Without that equation the argument for gay marriage is no stronger than people who go Goth or can only get off by a Dominatrix. A choice conscious or unconscious which is exactly what it is. There has never been an argument for gay marriage that only fits gay marriage and not every other sexual preference. The gay communities own website's arguments were used by an Italian court to circumvent consent law and award a pedophile a new trial. Thats the ugly truth the gay community wants to cover up. The entire culture of the gay community is based on that false claim they they were born gay despite the flood of examples of people who lived as heterosexuals for most of their life then "come out". They cannot carry on their movement without that comparison. That is why you see the lies spread about the equation to the civil rights movement. But despite the lies from the gay community, Martin Luther King Jr made his position quite accurately and clear for all. Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help? Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it. http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm King's position is quite clear. It is beyond disrespectful and insulting for the gay community to pretend they can compare their sexual preference to hundreds of years of slavery and oppression. By that argument you should welcome all sexual preferences including pedophile marriage since everyone is human and who are you to stand in the way of someone else's perceived happiness? You are doing exactly what I just explained is the fallacy of the gay marriage argument.
We don't ban Goth people and the like from getting married, do we? Would you be supportive of such a ban if we did?
You know, I do understand that it is difficult for some people to adapt to the changing environment and to recognize that what use to be stigmatized was WRONGLY stigmatized and that wrongs should be made rights. I do not mind debating with people who have issues with the coming of age of equal rights for all, especially gay rights. But I do not find anything positive or constructive in ANY of your comments, which I see filled with only hatred, misplaced anger, and insulting comments about your fellow men (and women). So I, for one, will avoid answering any of the vitriolic comments that you insist on posting. There is NOT an OUNCE of reason or logic in any of your comments. Enjoy yourself, as you find yourself more and more isolated in your bigoted views.
Name one Goth group that demanded they get married based on the fact they are Goth in a church for example. That's it? You ignore the rest of my argument?
Goth people don't demand the government let them get married, because there is no government ban on them doing so. Now are you going to answer my question? Would you support a government ban on Goth marriage?
Sure, just like it was difficult for John Savage to adapt to the Brave New World he found himself in, which had such people as yourself in it. Well of course you do, since the path of least resistance by far is to project your own hostility towards the truth onto others so as to shield yourself from the realization that you're part of the problem.
Yes, dear. . .you are obviously correct on all points, and there will also be two Tuesdays next week. Projection is a very strange thing, especially when one doesn't realize he is looking in the mirror! Have a fun life!
If those molestations are not reported, then how do you know they occur and how many there are? Sounds like a convenient scam to deflect from the truth.
Because I am one of the victim (by three different men, including a priest) and I also know two more victims of childhood molestations by family member and friends that were not reported. It is also a well known fact that many of those cases of molestation come out when the victim is an adult, and has finally found the courage and the sense of self-esteem needed to realize that it is time to speak up.
They are either measured or not. Your experience does not justify your claim that homosexuals do not have a disproportionate rate of pedophilia. For example, of all child abuse cases since 1950 in the USA by priests, 81% of the victims were boys. Priests have access to both boys and girls, so why the preference for boys? Looks like a link between homosexuality and pedophilia.
You don't own the law. Gay people probably don't like legitimate discrimination, the harm it brings, codified in their laws. Their rights are just as important as yours.
Neither did the Jews in Nazi Germany. What the hell's your point? Legitimate discrimination doesn't bring harm to any but those who would do harm. So I don't own the law, but homosexuals do. Have I got that right? To be sure. Unfortunately, it's not their rights they're contending for, but rather the legitimization of their delusion.
How in the world are homosexuals infringing on your rights? Unless you feel they'r esomehow less entitled to their democratic r ights to campaing for legal change (which I don't think sexual orientation changes anything about), their "shoving their morals down your throat" is not any more of an infringement of your rights as you campaigning against homosexuality is of theirs. I'd even say they're not trying to convert yout o homosexuality and you're converting them to heterosexuality, so yo're infringing more upon their rights than they're on yours. The reason pedophilia should be illegal, is becauuse children can't consent to sex. Adults can. If two women and two men were having sex, you wouldn't have a probem with the men (*)(*)(*)(*)ing the women, but you would have a problem if the women had sex with each other and so did the men. So it's not like homosexual people are somehow not capable of giving consent to sex, because you wouldn't have a problem if someone of hte opposite sex was (*)(*)(*)(*)ing them. Sex with children is different, because children cannot and should not consent to sex with anyone. Sex between two children should, IMO, not be considered lawful either (although children cannot be prosecuted in most countries).
Are you trying to say that PRIESTS make up the bulk of pedophiles? Where are your statistics. I have my own opinion on why priests tend to go for little boys (although not always, as I witnessed!). I believe that, at a time when homosexuality carried a HUGE stigma, many young men who found out they were not attracted to women, and couldn't even begin to acknowledge that they had an attraction towards men thought about "escaping" their sexual preferences for men and "glorify" their lack of sexual interest toward women, by interpreting those mixed feelings toward sexuality as "the calling to serve only God." So, they entered the seminar. . .not knowing, or at least not acknowledging their homosexuality. Therefore, I believe there are a LOT MORE frustrated homosexuals in the priesthood than there are in the general public. And, no, I do not have a link for this (although I would think that premise should have been the subject of some research, or at least should be studied in the future). However, the link I provided clearly show that a LOT MORE heterosexual pedophilia exists than homosexual pedophilia.
