I said at a church where they don't ascribe to Goth. And you provided no example to my challenge of any Goth making that challenge nor did you address the rest of my post. I would absolute support a ban of Goth trying to force churches to marry them yes. Now, for the second time, are you going to respond to the rest of my argument or just cherry pick because you can't debate it?
Are they still denying this after the mountain of evidence to the contrary? What gay activists love to point out is that there are more heterosexual pedophiles which of course we all know since they come from 95% of the population. What they refuse to acknowledge is per capita the homosexual community is vastly disproportionately represented to their population when it comes to pedophilia. It has been proven time and time again with study after study.
Not per capita. Stop pointing out the obvious when no one is denying it. Of course there are more heterosexual pedophiles when they come from 95% of the population. But Per Capita you are dead wrong and you know it.
Oh. . .because YOU KNOW how many people are ACTUALLY GAY, and not "hiding in the closet," right? Let me give you an example. . .how many priests are KNOWN homosexuals or would admit to it if asked? And yet, if you want to look at the "per capita" statistics. . .you might find out that Catholic priests make up an even greater % of pedophiles (and even greater in terms of molesting little boys) than the general gay population. You may also find out that among men who molest little boys, there are MORE who have NOT declared their homosexuality or are NOT living their life as homosexuals, but have REPRESSED or HIDDEN their homosexuality to the point that many are living in a "traditional heterosexual" marriage, have children of their own, and that more often than not, it is THEIR OWN children who are the victims of their pedophilia!
No. I read. You should try it. heterosexual incest pedophiles had abused 1.8 children and committed 81.3 acts, whereas homosexual incest pedophiles had abused 1.7 children and committed 62.3 acts Considering Homosexuals make up less than 4% of the population and Heterosexuals make up more than 96% of the population the very fact that the molestation of children by homosexuals and heterosexual pedophiles is nearly identical proves there are far more homosexual pedophiles per capita vs heterosexual pedophiles. http://focus.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleID=53036 This is a dead issue. Your side has been trounced over and over again with the actual stats. Your personal opinion means nothing just as mine does. Cite the statistics as I have or accept your failure to prove your claims.
You really don't understand, do you? What I am saying is that WE DO NOT KNOW how many TRUE HOMOSEXUALS there are! One way to look at it is that victimization of children (pedophilia) is OFTEN also INCESTUOUS. . .and that FATHERS (who obviously have not come out as "homosexuals!" are OFTEN the perpetrators, maybe as often (although not as often reported) as fathers sexually abusing their daughters. The fact is that when a little boy is assaulted by a male pedophile, one automatically "assume" that the male pedophile is a KNOWN HOMOSEXUAL. . .when actually, it is more often NOT an homosexual who LIVES HIS LIFE as an homosexual, but one who is HIDING or repressing his homosexuality. So. . .how can you say that "4%" of the US population is homosexual, when SO MANY more people are repressing or refusing to acknowledge their TRUE sexual orientation, and many of them are living a "traditional" life within a "traditional marriage." You don't really believe that every father who has molested his male child is KNOWN by his family, friends, and employers to be an homosexual PRIOR to being accused of pedophilia and incest, do you?
Why you wont back up a shred of what you claim? Nope sure don't. Theory does not trump FACT. You have a theory there are more. You theory does NOT mean it changes the stats I provided in any way shape or form. Read your own data: however it is not known if the actual prevalence is less or it is under-reported by a greater margin Get it? NOT KNOWN. Its called a dictionary. The term homosexual HAS NO AGE REQUIREMENT just like Heterosexual HAS NO AGE REQUIREMENT . If you molest a child that is the same sex you are then you are a homosexual pedophile BY DEFINITION. You really have got to stop this war on the dictionary. If you molest a child of the same gender you are then you are a homosexual pedophile by definition. Come back when you can prove the stats I provided are false in any way shape or form. Theories about unknown amounts of molested children remain theories and do not prove in any way shape or form that homosexual pedophiles are not overrepresented in the population.
YOUR STATS are NOT RELIABLE. They are based on WRONG premises that we KNOW how the TRUE percentage of gay people. . .which we DON'T They also "assume" that every case of child molestation involving a BOY is committed by a KNOWN HOMOSEXUAL. . .which it is NOT. And, if you think that every Priest who is homosexual has been "listed" in the "homosexual" group. . .you're believing in Santa Claus!
Nope. . .MANY of those molesting little boys are actually . . .their fathers, or brothers, or uncles. . .most of them "known" as "heterosexuals," but suddenly "tagged" as homosexuals because they went after little boys! What about those who go after ANY CHILD? And can you show us statistics that proves that pedophilia is more common in case the case of homosexuals who are LIVING their life as homosexuals, who have partners, who are married? NO, you can't . . .because such data doesn't exist. . .yet! You are just ASSUMING that every little boy victim of pedophilia is the victim of a "homosexual. . ." when actually, statistics DO SHOW that, very often the FATHER of those little boys are the perpetrators. . .and that they live in a "traditional" marriage!"
Actually data on priests does exist, and in great detail all the way back to 1950. The Catholic church is nothing if not meticulous in its record keeping, its available on the web. Thats how I know 81% of victims of priests are boys - male-on-boy pedophilia is homosexual. In the larger community, there are studies but you won't like the results. Google something like "correlation between homosexuality and pedophelia "
Among other things, they're in the process of getting marriage legally redefined so as to intimidate me and others into pretending homosexuality is merely a different flavor of normal sexuality. I do not appreciate being misquoted, so kindly cease and desist. You have me confused with someone else. That, of course, is nonsense. Age of consent laws are based not on any inability of children to consent to sex, but on the fact they are deemed incapable of engaging in sexual activity except to their detriment ... ... just as, in time past, adults were deemed incapable of engaging in homosexuality except to their detriment. This being the case, all that needs to be done to justify repealing age of consent laws is to recognize the same right of sexual self-determination in children that we have in adults. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Yeah, swell. What we're missing, I'm afraid, is any reason to believe your opinion in that respect should be more compelling than mine WRT homosexuality.
I'll address any argument and debate whatever you like, just as soon as you answer my question. (the one I actually asked, not the one you wanted me to ask...) Would you support a government ban on Goth marriage? As in the government completely bans Goths from entering into legally recognized marriage contracts...period, you know...the same way many of the states today ban same-sex marriage...This should be answerable with a simple yes or no. And please note that my question makes no mention of forcing churches to do anything.
Christians should not judge those things that should only be judged by God. Christians should not judge homosexuality, nor should they advance homosexual practices through man made laws. All sins should be condemned, not the sinners as we are all sinners.
In my opinion the Dr. Ian Stevenson, Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow research related to reincarnation in some form can help us to understand that the Gay Community is correct when they assert that "we were born this way!" http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html
not really, to be honest i dont care much about who the person next to me sleeps with at all as long as its a consenting adult. it is none of our business really. But if someone does find out there is a cause of homosexuality, then oh well more power to them.
I respect your position, and I pretty much agree with it. However, I do think it matters because it lends more credibility when justifying why we need to treat homosexuals with the same human dignity, respect, and acknowledgement that we would treat anyone else.
Well over sixty percent of the volunteers in the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research were women.... but almost exactly fifty percent of the past lives seen over the past 4000 years..... were of men!!!???? I wonder why????? http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html
The cause of homosexuality "matters" with the same urgency that the cause of any other defect/abnormality needs to be understood. Does the cause of mental illness matter? Does the cause of any disease matter? A prevailing theory regarding the cause of homosexuality is that it begins with a defect in the sense of smell -- specifically in the olfactory bulbs. But the big hyperliberal PR shove is for "acceptance", NOT for diagnosis and a cure! Whatever. I'd rather that we spent money on finding a cure for other diseases/defects, since homos are happy simply living with defective physiology/psychology all their lives....
The cause of homosexuality does not matter to me. Being a homosexual is not sinful. It is only when a person acts on their homosexual inclinations and are unchaste that they sin.
I think the poll question can be interpreted in different ways: 1) Should homosexuality be understood, tolerated, and accepted as part of normal human variation? 2) Should we continue looking for a reason to try to blame or "cure" homosexuality? I think most people here are trying to take the position that it is what it is, and should be accepted for what it is, regardless of the cause. But you always have the haters, who prefer to believe the "cause" is sheer perverted antisocial cussedness, which matters because if the sickos would only snap out of it and quit pretending, the whole problem would go away. I think the poll, as it stands, WAY underestimates the sheer depth of willful ignorance.
To me it matters only as a bit of scientific curiosity. As for homosexuality itself, I am pretty much indifferent to it. Eat, drink, be merry, pay your taxes, vote, try to raise children -- if you have any -- in an intelligent manner, be as kind towards other as you can stand to be, and mind your own business. Taking that into consideration I don't care what consenting adults do.
Excellent comments Gatewood.... but..... we are living in a time period when it is possible for ten or twenty active bloggers.... to set in motion a series of events that could potentially save millions of lives........ http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=341564 New Age Communities can print local currencies finance films that address problems?! At this time I tend to believe that New Age Groups may be the most likely to successfully initiate local currencies and use them to finance film projects in which homeless people could become actors playing the role of homeless people.... .which could easily finance their buying or renting homes????!!!!
The Helen Wambach Ph. D. research is interesting. It seems that women see themselves as men in past lives if they are regressed in time under hypnosis. Men see themselves as women in past lives if they are regressed. Dr. Ian Stevenson felt that the memories of past lives by children would revolutionize psychiatry and psychology. I agree with him. http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html#a04
Nope, out doesn't matter in the least. I think why it gets discussed so frequently is because people think it will shut up the lunatic fringe of Christians that push to remove support. I don't think it will. I think they will believe it is a conspiracy to push make believe agendas. Just like they think it was a conspiracy to have it removed from the DSM.
