Central High School promposal goes viral, some classmates call it racist

No, but i could see an argument that that person being at prom could cause a higher risk of fights between them and any black students.

We used to ban kids from prom all the time. I recall there even being GPA requirements for being able to attend prom when i was in school.

Prom is a privilege, it's not like they are being denied their diploma. We should stop raising our kids to feel entitled to things.

 

The school would still be covered because a reasonable person would see the words "shoot everyone at prom" and automatically think of guns being used.

 

Check with the teachers who volunteer for prom oversight.

 

Nah, a federal court would nullify that EO the very next day.

The government does limit free speech. I know you can think of ways they do that, so I won’t list them for you, unless you ask me to.

I am not aware of any court cases that exactly apply to this case. But it doesn’t really matter to me.

Pretty much everyone on this thread agrees that what they did was wrong or stupid or dumb or racist. And when a teenager does something like that, the best thing for that teenager is to suffer a consequence, and missing a prom is not the end of the world. It stings, but they learn from that.

The last thing those teenagers need is for adults to come running to their defense, crying about their “rights”.

 

Your comments is Disingenuous. Why have you not called out other forms of racism such as picking people for cabinet positions based not on credentials but only on race? Is that not racist? And if it’s not then can we also do just that? Democrats are making people racist and they will continue to do so until people like you see what’s really going on.

 

yea, we're not far off from kids trying to sue their parents for violating their 1st amendment rights because they got punished for cursing them out.

 

I know this attitude isn't popular with liberals these days, but a student who initiates physical violence on school grounds or at school activities should be expelled. If the promposal-er initiates violence, expel him. If a black student initiates violence, expel him.

Agreed, but we should also raise our kids to respect the law. The First Amendment is the law of the land and schools, as the "nurseries of democracy", have a special obligation to model law-abiding behavior. The school should follow the First Amendment and not punish the students.

 

Free speech is limited in schools in all sorts of ways.

Schools also have all sorts of arbitrary rules for access extra curricular activities.

 

Do you understand that you should make your own argument, instead of asking around?

Ah... "obvious". Well you say no, but you lack any kind of explanation. So it's not worth crap.

That appears to be your alternative reality. As noted, people are fired from their job all the time for posting racist crap out of uniform in their own time. I gave an example of not exactly the poorest ex-MLB player being fired from his radio-gig. Heck, random people post how other people are going racist out of uniform in their own time... and that ends up that those racist get fired like that too.

https://theblackwallsttimes.com/202...r-telling-black-couple-to-stay-in-their-hood/

It is what it is. You saying it ain so, isn't debunking reality.

 

Maybe students should protest outside the home of the kid and demand his parents not allow him to go to prom.

Free speech and all that.

 

Yes, but as noted previously, this speech was not IN school. It was speech made outside of school, after school hours, and there are only a few very narrow exceptions that allow schools to regulate particular types of speech when it happens off-campus. None of those apply to this promposal

 

Maybe they should. It might be an opportunity for them to learn about "time, place, and manner" limitations on the First Amendment, and if they're stupid, trespassing laws.

 

This was decided in Tinker v Des Moines.

You don’t think that speech could cause “substantial disruption”?

 

This is not racist and I will tell you why.

1. It doesn't imply one race is superior to another
2. If a college professor had done this he/she/they/it would say it's bringing much needed attention to cotton pickers
3. If Northam, Trudeau and Dansen got passes for their black faces, this shouldn't even raise an eyebrow
4. Isn't always liberals who say conservatives have no sense of humor?
5. Is this racist: If I were white I'd be a victim of the knockout game. Instead you're so gorgeous you knock me out. Is that racist? If yes, explain why.

 

Here is what the Supreme Court said less than a year ago: "In Tinker, we indicated that schools have a special interest in regulating on-campus student speech that “materially disrupts classwork or involves substantial disorder or invasion of the rights of others.”"

Please note the highlighted word.

 

It's more interesting what you didn't put in bold.
What the judges considered is that she expressed her opinion to a private group, it's about criticism and the school only had a problem with the level of "vulgarity" and the school never had a problem before with out of school vulgarity. The school claims it was disruptive, but couldn't argue how it would be disruptive when the discussion about it on school was just 5 to 10 minutes which they held only twice.

So this isn't a 1 on 1 example at all.

 

I mentioned plenty of differences in post 66.

 

Tell me you don't understand First Amendment jurisprudence without actually telling me you don't understand First Amendment jurisprudence.

 

source it.

 

20-255 Mahanoy Area School Dist. v. B. L. (06/23/2021) (supremecourt.gov)

 

Aha.
So you do not think it's so "fine-thoothed" for students, where you think they managed to do that for employees.
I fail to see why you think they stopped at employees while they were at it.

 

Letting staff be around for free, still makes it the staff of the school being around... meaning it's a school event.

 

I don't think anyone is disputing that the prom is a school event. That's also not really the issue in this case. The issue is that the free speech took place off-campus and after school hours. It's not really relevant that the topic of the free speech was a school event. The school still cannot legally regulate this free speech.

 

They can choose to not invite people of low character to their prom.

 

No, they can't decide that this promposal represented "low character" and therefore exclude the students from prom. That was the whole point of the Supreme Court addressing off-campus student free speech last year.