China warns of 'worst consequences' for any country that supports Taiwan militarily

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  1. yardmeat

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    Obama wasn't talking to Putin there, and can you tell me what exactly it was he was talking about? Meanwhile, can you actually address the things Trump did and said?

    Trump didn't lead any of those sanctions. Aside from MAYBE the pipeline, he didn't sign any sanction that didn't have an overwhelming majority in Congress, and even then you argued against sanctioning Russia and complained when he signed to do so.

    No one with two braincells to rub together is lobotomized enough to fall for the "Trump was tough on Russia propaganda."
     
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    You aren't paying attention. I'm not asking if those were the ONLY things required. I asked if they WERE required. Understand the difference between necessary and sufficient. Simple concept to grasp. Keep up. But thank you for admitting that you don't even think that this fringe extremism goes far enough.
     
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    If Tulsi was being treasonous talking about biolabs that really exist there needs to be a lot of indictments passed around. Starting with Obama.

    While execution could be justified I'm willing to be merciful. How about 20 years in Leavenworth? 10 for Biden and 5 for Hillary.



    No need for for the jury to deliberate long they just need to review this video.

    Keep talking that Putin-Russia trash.
     
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    Tulsi parroting the Kremlin's braindead talking points is dumb, corrupt, and irresponsible, but it isn't treason.
     
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    Obama was talking to the president of Russia. Watch the damn video the message was for Putin.

    Blatant obvious collusion. The two men were practically making out.

    Your lame attempts to defend that idiot Biden at all costs will not work. Russia did not invade another country with
    Trump in office.

    If Biden had a turd in his diaper you would clean it for him.
     
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    If I was President and China said this to the United States about Taiwan, I'd park a couple Tridents full of Heaters off their coast and ask um if they like their Peking Duck cooked or Extra Crispy if they have any intentions of invading.
     
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    Remember when the MSM were obsessed with Konstantin Kilimnik? Remember when they claimed that Michael Cohen's trip to Prague was proof of Russian collusion even though Cohen never had been there?

    So an un true rumor about a trip to Prague matters but Obama talking directly in honeyed tones to a Russian president on video is nothing? Yeah right.
     
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    Your link is broken, but if you are talking about the "I will have more flexibility" video, he wasn't speaking with Putin. Doesn't even look like Putin. At all. Not even remotely.

    Yet you didn't even know the man he was talking to.

    Trump was far, far weaker on Russia than either Obama or Trump. I've provided examples . . . which you ran in terror from. Putin wasn't basing his invasion date on the US elections.

    There are a lot of good reasons to criticize Biden. You should focus on those instead of trying to water your fake victory garden with the blood of Ukrainians. Meanwhile, all you are doing is projecting your inability to criticize Trump onto others.
     
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    How is a Russian president saying that not a problem? You libos always talking tough about Russia. What president has Russia said that about?
     
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    This was always going to happen, and it was always going to happen in cahoots with the Soviets.

    It's EAST v WEST. They waited til the time was right, and time is right now.
     
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    You can watch the video off YouTube. An idiot can figure that out click on the bottom.

    Obama was talking to the 2nd most powerful man in that country. The president! Dmitry Medvedev. So cut the crap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_MedvedevThey were negotiating

    It was a summit to negotiate NATO missiles in Europe. Missiles in Europe! NATO! Obama was backstabbing NATO!

    I'm not responsible for the Russian invasion and have never defended Russia one time so stop lying about that.
     
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    I'm seeing a pattern with Victorians lately. Deep denial.

    Is it something Dan puts in the water? Or is it just that the Socialist dream is so tightly embraced there, that fingers can't easily be prised off? Clinging to the sinking ship of Govt-as-Saviour.
     
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    I'm trembling ... I'm going to sleep with an open eye!

    China is terrorized to be in any way related to Russia about Ukraine, so imagine ...
    The real problem is this US administration: is Biden going to allow Iran to conquer Saudi Arabia or what?
     
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    Trump was not far weaker on Russia than Obama or Biden. Obama and Biden coward to Russia when Syria gassed their own citizens. They drew a red line and for some reason when Syria crossed that redline they done nothing. My guess is because Russia was operating in Syria. You see how scared Biden is to even help with jets because he doesn’t want escalation so I’m sure that was the logic in Syria as well. So Biden and Obama both watched kids get gassed just cause Russia made them pee their pants.

    what did Trump do about this when it happened on his watch? He bombed the ever living hell out of their air fields. I am a firm believer that Trump was harder on Russia than Obama and he has more guts to boot.
     
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    Iran is not capable of conquering Saudi.
     
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    Russia had a massive troop buildup, which it later retracted, last March! These things do not get planned, overnight; so that last buildup, which Putin pulled back (for whatever reason) with America under Biden's leadership, had been conceived of and planned, during the incumbency of the White's House's former resident.

    I would say, "Nice try..."
     
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    Trump also caved on Syria gassing their own citizens (with Russian involvement), so at best that criticism would make them even. Meanwhile, supplying jets is effectively a declaration of war. Not sure any US president would have committed to that. Trump also watched kids get gassed, so, again, that at best makes them even. What did Trump do? I've provided details, and no one will address them. Trump repeatedly praised Putin, congratulated his fake "win" after his staff warned him not to, his campaign pushed for the GOP to go easy on Putin when it came to Ukraine, Trump argued that Crimea was happier under Russia, Trump complained about sanctions against Russia, Trump praised Flynn for pledging to lift those sanctions, Trump hired Manafort (hope that doesn't need more explanation), Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine . . . frankly, I can think of no one weaker against Russia than Trump. Not in the Oval Office, anyway. He has no guts. He's an empty suit playing army. At best.
     
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    I would never force a rape victim to have their rapists baby, it's immoral imo
     
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    How was bombing their air fields caving?
     
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    Yeah, I disagreed with him on Crimea and his praise for Putin. No murderer should be praised. But he was not afraid to take action in the same sandbox Russia was playing in.
     
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    That seems like the kind of statement that only a Russian official could make. You are aware that its stock market was in such a free fall, this is the third week (at least) that it has remained closed?

    You are aware that the ruble has lost more than a third of its value, and that the Russian central Bank has jumped its interest rate on borrowing, to 20%, from 9.5%, in order to stave off runaway inflation?

    Apparently, now, Russia even needs to go begging to China for good-- MREs, for its troops. If that is not your idea of "struggling," one wonders, what is?

    Funny. But also elucidating: if a policy originates from a Democrat, that makes it de facto incapable of being for a "conservative" principal? I will point out that it was Bill Clinton, who delivered balanced bugets-- not Ronald Reagan or, by any stretch, Donald Trump.

    Naturally, though, you accept the reciprocal proposition: any policy originating with a Republican can, ipso facto, not be "liberal?" So when Mitt Romney instituted a medical insurance plan in Massachusetts, it was Republican good sense, but when Obama copied that same plan, it was Socialist Liberalism, run amok. FYI, it was that notorious liberal, Richard Nixon, who first advocated for national health insurance.

    When Democrats add to the National Debt, they are creating a "Welfare State;" when Republicans do it, they are freeing businesses from the oppression of taxes, to kick-start that whole "trickle-down" effect, which will end up putting more money into federal coffers-- just you wait and see! How much longer, do we need wait?

    Pro_Line_FL called it, spot-on:

    :applause::applause:Well said! :clap: :clapping:




    These are not the Conservative positions. President George H. W. Bush, used executive action, against assault weapons. When the ban on many of these weapons passed Congress, under Clinton, they received significant support from many prominent Republicans. 10, in the Senate IIRC, and well more than that, in the House.

    [snip]

    Roll Call Vote 103rd Congress - 1st SessionXMLVote Summary
    Question: On the Amendment (Feinstein Amdt. No. 1152 )
    Vote Number: 375Vote Date: November 17, 1993, 10:10 AM
    Required For Majority: 1/2Vote Result: Amendment Agreed to
    Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 1152 to S.Amdt. 1151 to S. 1607 (Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1993)
    Statement of Purpose: To restrict the manufacture, transfer, and possession of certain semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
    Vote Counts:YEAs56

    YEAs ---56
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Biden (D-DE)
    Boren (D-OK)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Bradley (D-NJ)
    Brown (R-CO)
    Bumpers (D-AR)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Campbell (D-CO)
    Chafee (R-RI)
    Coats (R-IN)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Danforth (R-MO)
    Daschle (D-SD)
    DeConcini (D-AZ)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Exon (D-NE)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Ford (D-KY)
    Glenn (D-OH)
    Graham (D-FL)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Hatfield (R-OR)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Jeffords (R-VT)
    Kassebaum (R-KS)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Kerrey (D-NE)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (D-CT)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Mathews (D-TN)
    Metzenbaum (D-OH)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Mitchell (D-ME)
    Moseley-Braun (D-IL)
    Moynihan (D-NY)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Nunn (D-GA)
    Packwood (R-OR)
    Pell (D-RI)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Riegle (D-MI)
    Robb (D-VA)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Roth (R-DE)
    Sarbanes (D-MD)
    Simon (D-IL)
    Wellstone (D-MN)
    Wofford (D-PA)

    [End]
    There were also 9 Democrats, among the NAYs:
    [snip]

    NAYs ---43
    Bennett (R-UT)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Breaux (D-LA)
    Bryan (D-NV)
    Burns (R-MT)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Cohen (R-ME)
    Coverdell (R-GA)
    Craig (R-ID)
    D'Amato (R-NY)
    Dole (R-KS)
    Domenici (R-NM)
    Durenberger (R-MN)
    Faircloth (R-NC)
    Gorton (R-WA)
    Gramm (R-TX)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Gregg (R-NH)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Heflin (D-AL)
    Helms (R-NC)
    Hollings (D-SC)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Johnston (D-LA)
    Kempthorne (R-ID)
    Lott (R-MS)
    Mack (R-FL)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Nickles (R-OK)
    Pressler (R-SD)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Sasser (D-TN)
    Shelby (D-AL)
    Simpson (R-WY)
    Smith (R-NH)
    Specter (R-PA)
    Stevens (R-AK)
    Thurmond (R-SC)
    Wallop (R-WY)
    Warner (R-VA)

    Not Voting - 1
    Dorgan (D-ND)

    https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1031/vote_103_1_00375.htm#position



    There have always been, & still are, FYI, Republicans who believe in "Choice," the woman's right to make this decision for herself, without government interference (even if, personally, the politician may be against abortion). Even among Conservatives who are in favor of further restricting abortion, a zero tolerance, except for rape, incest, and mother's physical safety, does not include all of their positions. There are those who, for example, only want the bar brought down to 13 weeks, as it apparently is, in some other European countries. There are others, of your fellow "conservatives," who believe that there should be NO EXCEPTIONS for rape or incest. So, from their perspective, that would make you, by your own way of judging, a Liberal.
     
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    I love the time you take on your posts. It’s admirable. That said let me be a bit critical here. You also have to point out that George W Bush allowed that gun ban to expire. So a big hats off to him. During that ban gun crimes went up not down. And also the Brady act was created by Reagan, stopped by George H W Bush, then revived under Clinton. That bill has a long and drawn out history.

    also you would be right to point out that more gun control has been enacted by republicans and I hate that fact. Even that rat Trump done it and even got the NRA to help him which is why I canceled my membership.

    On the idea of a balanced budget. You’re right to point out that Clinton accomplished this but not on his free will. He was largely pressured by one of the best speakers in history. If not for his hardline stance this never would have happened. I’m also not giving the Republican Party an exit path here. Spending has done nothing but go up since Clintons exit. Every administration has spent more than the previous since then. Republican or Democrat it doesn’t matter. Spending is a big problem that no one wants to tackle because it will quite literally kill jobs. Obama was the best to point this out that a national debt is a good thing, and it is to an extent. The problem lies in the long run which will definitely catch us.
     
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    Can you ever support anything you say with direct quotes and or videos? I'm not interested in your opinion of what somebody allegedly said. You are very ineffective.
     
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    Oh Obama supported missiles in Europe? How white of him.

    Did Russia ever say this about Trump?

     

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