Christians who ignore bad parts of Bible vs. Nazis who ignore bad parts of Mein Kampf

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  1. FreedomSeeker

    FreedomSeeker Well-Known Member

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    What are your thoughts about the logic behind the following question?
    1. Looking at posts/references on this forum some argue that the Bible has many passages that are worse than Mein Kampf (kill all gays, instructions on beating slaves, Moses approved of rape of captives, moral people of other religions deserve torture for over 99.999999% of their supposed existence, etc.)
    2. Followers of the Bible say that they ignore those inconvenient parts (but still give the book to their children as the "best" moral guide book of all time.)
    3. ....so how are Christians who ignore the horrific parts of the Bible better than Nazis who ignore the horrific parts of Mein Kampf?

    I could be wrong in my thought-process, and if so, please show exactly where.
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  2. Margot2

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    Read the Bible in its historical and political context...............
     
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    Ignoring the multiple parts of the Bible that say to kill all gays, but still believing in the book, how is that different than a Nazi who ignores an inconvenient part of Mein Kampf but still believes in the book?
     
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    So youre saying that if the Bible said that every year we had to kill and eat someone you'd do it? I'm a Nazi, and I ignore the parts of Mein Kampf that does not make sense because it'd be stupid to not ignore it. I am also a Catholic and the parts of the Bible that are BS really should be ignored.
     
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    Should we leave out all of the bad parts of history in history books as well?
     
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    The Bible stories serve two purposes.. They create a history and identity for the Hebrew tribe that sets them apart from the rest of the Canaanites and they teach their struggle and relationship with God. ALL of them were flawed humans.. but the stories have a running theme.. sin, forgiveness, mercy and redemption.. and they are in fact epic tales.

    Its just not that difficult...... unless you are raised to believe the scriptures are literal history and science.
     
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    Time will tell. Historians have a tendency to give man more credit than they deserve.
     
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    The premise is very offensive even if you're an Atheist, never mind few Christians on this forum who mind end up replying to this.

    Unfortunately I never read Mein Kampf to know what kind of garbage is in there, to comment on this topic. But I find if very offensive.
     
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    She aims to offend.
     
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    I personally really hope you're wrong, because if it were true it is just sad and disappointing.
     
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    Sorry.. I am not wrong on this.. I have been watching her threads for months.
     
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    Well in history man is the hero of the story. I ought to know, I did study history for so long. But in reality it depends on what book you read. The older it is, the more likely it is that it's a glorification of some success of someone. We were thought to stop with that nonsense and write what's happened. Unfortunately many didn't get the memo xd
     
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    I applaud you for taking the time to post this.
     
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    Definitely not wrong. She is the inspiration, regretfully, for my over-the-top Richard Dawkins thread. I couldn't stand anymore of her nonsense without some reply...

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    It is unfortunate, and I guess it's partially due to the "what's happened" doesn't have the same amount of money man tends to have.
     
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    I don't know if money is the problem. It is definitely A problem. Another problem is the access we get to archives. Austria has a 50 year lock, so only if documents are older than that I would have access to them. Some archives in the UK and the USA are still locked in terms of WW2. In Germany I can only access WW2 files if I have the written authorization from a representative of the German parliament and the descendants of the family I am about to do my research on. Never mind that modern countries put millions of documents annually under the label "classified", which makes it more hard for us to go through them and find the essential information.

    But the primary problem I think is that to many people have too many core beliefs and are unwilling to be neutral. This is especially the case for those who have never lived a significant time abroad and are deeply influenced by the propaganda back home.
     
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    I believe the more appropriate initial question should have been directed to the "rationale behind the following questions". Reason: In your items numbered 1,2, and 3 you make specific references to allegations about the 'Bible', yet you post nothing that is taken from the Mein Kampf as comparators. So, what is your reasoning behind such a veiled non-comparative set of questions?
     
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    Is FS female?

    who'd a thunk :)
     
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    In which Bible verse did Moses approve of rape of captives?
     
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    WHAT I FIND OFFENSIVE is that 75% of Americans believe that that SOB Jesus is justified, yes justified, in burning in horrific torture all Buddhists, and all Muslims, and all atheists, and all Hindus, and everybody else that doesn't think like he does, that doesn't believe that magic (walking on water, etc.) is real! THAT'S what I find offensive!

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    Take the women as sex-slaves, and enslave the children, and kill all the livestock.....I don't even think that Osama Bin Laden was THAT wicked.)
     
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    So, if, say, it's only HALF as bad as Hitler's book, you're ok with that? The Bible would still be considered "the best moral guide book for my children" by many people if it was HALF as bad as the book by what most consider the worst person of all time (Hitler)? Is that ok with you?

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    I"ve never said either way, I believe.
     
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    And just think, he COULD have spent that same amount of time, not attacking the mere messenger (me), but rather removing, say, the parts of the Bible that say to SLAUGHTER GAYS.....priorities, I guess?
    Your thoughts?

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    So then you're clearly admitting the Bible is wrong, dead wrong, when it says that the whole Bible inspired by god, then, correct?

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    History books aren't claimed by people to be the "best moral guide book" of all time, now are they.
     
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    Which Bible verse did Moses endorse sex slavery in? Quote it.
     
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    THREE purposes, actually....to create hatred of non-believers....clearly god hates non-believers.
    Modern Secular Humanists, on the other hand, try to love everybody.

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    Mein kampf would have to be HORRIFIC to be worse than the Bible, don't we all agree?
     
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    I aim to educate....the truth is my goal.
    You, in your many many replies to my posts (I appreciate your feedback, however), seem to deflect, to defend atrocities in the Bible/Qur'an.
    My POINTING OUT these atrocities, reading between the lines of your posts on this thread, seems to be more worrisome to you than the "best moral guide book of all time" (some believe) advocating: kill all gays, instructions on beating slaves, Moses approved of rape of captives, moral people of other religions deserve torture for over 99.999999% of their supposed existence, etc.

    So who is more moral, Margot, me, or the Bible?

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    Oh I will, but first can we all agree that if he did, that the Bible and Moses are both horrific, not worthy of being the best moral guide book of all time? Can we?
     
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    Yes, I agree. But I dont think theres any evidence that Moses supported sex slavery.
     

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