(cont) Holocaust Memorial.......

Oh come come, what of nation today that honoured the Nazi's?

What say you then, sir?

 

Absolutly terrifying ................. unimaginable horrors

 

LOL why not ? looooool

I was talking about Countries not people

 

Yes.

And to a much greater scale, and for longer, and in many more countries, than the FEARED NAZI'S.

Now.

Who would honour such men?

 

I can't think of any that fit that description, but that's because they lost.

If it's any consolation, we definitely haven't "honored" Soviets since about 1948 or so.

 

Yes.

But Israel did.

They honoured that Red Army.

 

And how long ago was this?

 

Red Army honoured by Israel

Israel is holding a tender for the best draft project for a monument commemorating the Soviet victory in World War II.

PM Benjamin Netanyahu has formed a special panel to assess the drafts for the memorial to be built in Netaniya.

"This monument will express our gratitude to the Soviet people who played a key role in defeating Nazism, and also the heroism of the hundreds of thousands of Jews who fought in the Red Army," Netanyahu said in a statement.
http://english.vovnews.vn/Home/Red-Army-honoured-by-Israel/201010/120480.vov

 

They're honoring the Soviets for defeating the Nazies. That's a bit different from honoring them for Katyn.

 

It makes no odds.

They were war criminals, and part of the worse regime in recent history, worse than the spooky NA, and for longer.

 

It makes no odds.

They were war criminals, and part of the worse regime in recent history, worse than the spooky NA, and for longer.

 

The longer part is in hindsight and is purely conditional to the fact that we defeated the Nazies instead of them.

 

What?

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If we had instead sided with the Nazies and defeated the Soviets, we'd probably be having this conversation about how America was wrong to honor the Nazies.

 

Yes.

But ethics are ethics, yes?

If you are going to be outraged at what the NA did, you must also be outraged at what Commies did.

More so, since they did more, to more, and for longer.

You cannot cling to one in a mawkish manner, while just reducing the other to a footnote.

If, today, you would find a country, that paid formal tribute to the SS and the Reich, you would be seething, and why? Because you believe they did what you believe, okay? Now, by that same moral basis, you must also measure all other things.

Anything less is just sheer hypocrisy, and it means your mawkishness over what the NA are meant to have done, is less genuine, imo.

 

I can admit that we definitely reserve more contempt for Nazies than Soviets.

I think you'll find several right wingers here would sympathize with your view on this though. Quite a few paleoconservatives like Pat Buchanan definitely despise the Soviets more than the Nazies.

The whole Red Scare period of our history demonstrated similar sentiments, and Glenn Beck basically revived some of that in recent years.

 

Mate.

It is not about this wing or that wing, but that which is fact.

And it is a fact that blow for blow, death for death, oppression for oppression, the Commie Bolshevik Red Army, made the NA seem like a temp blip.

The reason you have a disproprtionate view of one over the other, is, to be honest,that is how it has been programmed into you.

Those things, they are facts, and you need not be any wing to state facts.

 

Facts have never stopped you from blaming Jews for everything.

 

Lame.

Very lame.

One tries to engage in an adult discourse, with you.

And because your own sense of perspective is challenged, you fall back on that.

Tsk...

 

Honour ? Who is honouring them ?

We all usually only honour our own and in the past vica versa.

I don't like these International Trials, they are not correct, they are victors show trials all of them.

Wars are all monsterous there is always raping and pillaging, plundering and laying waste. We have photos and evidence of the last one but they are all the same I think ......Europe was laid waste ..... .

Russia must make peace with her past her own way as we bagan to make ours with our past before the Evil of Weakness and Ego, Blair ignored the British people and dishonoured them and destroyed Mesopotamia

The Germans may not honour their Heros and they had some ..........

Have we nothing better to honour than death though ?

 

See previous posts, AF.

 

I'm just saying that you seem to view us as "programmed" while you have some of your own.

Inevitably, we're all going to have some amount of subjectivity.

I don't lament the loss of Nazism. I also don't lament the fact that we allied with the Soviets temporarily.

There were people in power in America back then that wanted to attack and conquer the Soviets right after WW2 because of some of the things they did in seizing parts of Eastern Europe.

Personally, I think cooler heads prevailed. We were tired of war, and so it was determined that a Cold War was a better option than a conventional one.

Does that mean we approved of Soviet actions? Hell no. We spent decades playing cat and mouse with them via proxies across the globe. That's hardly "honoring" them.

So, honestly, I don't know why you fixate on comparing the two. Now that it's been over 20 years since the Soviet Union's fall, it's a bit outdated as well.

 

Do you have ANY idea how totally ironic that sounds?

 

Do you have ANY idea how totally ironic that sounds?

 

What, because people still fixate on the Holocaust?

I can agree with that to an extent.