Costs are going down for healthcare because of Obamacare

http://www.latimes.com/business/hil...traction-20140310,0,55174.story#axzz2vmmZ0kxt Despite the obsessive attacks from the right about costs of healthcare going up, it simply is not true. This graph is a revealing tell all of the desperation from the right why they want to repeal this law. They know it works and will stop at nothing to trash it. Why? Because it will eventually expose the party for what it really stands for. Protecting the interests of the few.While at the same time the massive amount of lying will finally be out there for all to see, when the facts finally prove, this is all they have been selling.

 

46 views and no one from the right to dispute those figures with those of their own. We'll, so much for the claim about Obamacare costing people more. What happened to that fact they got wrong? Go figure!

 

LoL Did you read the article?

The (clearly) biased article put this little nugget in there and said nothing more about it.

The cost of health insurance and medical care came sharply down in January, according to number-crunchers at Goldman Sachs and the Commerce Department. Goldman Sachs attributed the slide to cuts in the reimbursement formulas for Medicare services, which are written into the law.

Do you know what that means? It doesn't mean they've decreased the costs of healthcare. It means they're decreasing the amount they're willing to pay out in reimbursements for Medicare patients. They're attempting to artificially lower the amount they pay out to doctors. That's not addressing the costs of healthcare. That's an attempt at artificially capping the amount of money a doctor can make on his/her ability. This is why medicare patients are finding it increasingly difficult to find doctors who are willing to help them.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrill...in-both-medicare-and-medicaid-reimbursements/

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323971204578626151017241898

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health-jan-june13-medicare_03-04/

They're going to start doing it with Obamacare patients as well, once they get enough of them on the socialized healthcare dole. That will put all but the best doctors in a position of either accept a lower payment for your services or go out of business. You're creating an environment in which our best and brightest don't want to become doctors anymore. The doctors who are already stuck will retire if possible and move if they're able. If they're not, I can assure you that the doctors who are left will be sub-par, they'll be overworked and the quality of healthcare you receive from them will be average at best.

 

It won't matter if you can keep your doctor or not. You will never see one. Most cases will be handled by nurses now thanks to Obama care. No more family doctors. Maybe you might see him in the hall passing by. Just remember to say cause who knows when you will see him again.

 

It's already happening with Medicare patients (read: Old people).

http://www.aarp.org/health/medicare-insurance/info-03-2013/how-to-beat-doctor-shortage.html

That snake Obama and his cronies will pay for these atrocities come election time.

 

the ACA is a corporatist policy, congress had no one to compromise with but the insurance companies themselves when it passed, which is why the writers of the law were having private meetings with the insurance companies themselves before putting the law on the table... not to mention the 700 million dollars the private insurance industry spent advocating for the ACA (Obamacare). One of the main writers of the law, Elizabeth Fowler left her white house job to join the very industry which is profiting off of the law she helped write

http://rt.com/usa/news/white-role-fowler-health-464/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lobbyist-industry1

..which is something that is illegal in most first world countries....not to mention how much more the insurance companies themselves (who invested in this policy) are now making off of it

http://www.infowars.com/insurance-giants-that-wrote-and-lobbied-for-health-law-cash-in/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceja...re-profit-windfall-to-insurers-well-underway/
http://speakout-now.org/obamacare-or-corporate-care-the-writing-of-the-affordable-care-act/
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/10/insurance-companies-profit-from.html

Obamacare is literally the only national healthcare plan in the world that does NOT take the profit out of the very coverage that is mandated, and according to economist Gerald Friedman, a single payer healthcare plan (which is what Canada uses) would save us over 500 BILLION dollars (from cutting the cost of unnecessary middlemen and profiteers)

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2012/0312friedman.pdf

if you think Obamacare is some sort of liberal solution for healthcare then you are dead wrong, it's the same idea that was once supported by Mitt Romney, Bob Dole, and Newt Gingrich

 

DUH! Of course they did. They said they would do that. That proves people like you who hate the law know nothing about the law then get trapped in your own game of ignorance. They said they were going to do that way before October sign up.

 

Links that prove that?

 

Interesting argument. ACA isn't meant to lower the actual cost of healthcare. It's meant to lower the amount the end consumer pays for healthcare. If they had eliminated insurance companies out of the fold, it would've brought down the actual costs. As well, the states that refused the medicaid expansion got screwed over since those states are literally refusing free money to subsidize insurance plans with a rebate at the end of each year based on income.

So yeah, the actual costs of providing healthcare havent changed. However, the cost to the consumer that's hit hardest came down, and that's who this bill was targeting.

 

that has been going on for the last ten years, we have a pre-doctor and then a few main doctor that overseas everything and comes in and talks to you for about 5 min at the end

started with hmo and the like, because the main doctor is certified....


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Medical services are 2.1% higher than they were last year.

Is up the new down?

 

If the end game isn't to lower health care cost then you aren't accomplishing anything. Medical Care will merely become a self perpetuating spiral of ever increasing health care cost and more money to fuel an ever broken system.

Similar to what is happening to student loans.

 

Well, one way to lower costs is to abolish insurance companies because they're basically stacking on a profit motive. You hand over the responsibility to the government which is to simply break even while delivering on the goals set out, costs go down.

 

I'm well aware the law said they were going to cut medicare reimbursement. That, however, is not addressing the costs of healthcare. That's an attempt at price fixing.

It also means less quality healthcare available for our elderly.

 

Government is terribly inefficient and the costs for administration would quickly outstrip the 3% profit margin of health insurance companies.

 

3%? The average amount charged for 'administration' from insurance companies was more than 20% on average..meaning you were paying for paper pushing, which could be shoved around in the books to go into profits while claiming 'oh, we're working on your case'. Nonsense. There's even cases of hospitals taking advantage of insurance agencies by charging 10 dollars for 1 dollar guaze and other bull(*)(*)(*)(*)tery.

However, your efficiency claims are just spoken from personal bias. The most effective government programs have all been undercut by tax cuts. You expect (*)(*)(*)(*) to flow smoothly if there's no funds for it?

Surely you jest.

 

Government doesn't have overhead like buildings, labor, maintenance, etc.? Of course they do. What do you think you will be paying for if government does it? BTW, there is no incentive for government to be efficient. You evidently have no experience with this.

Oh, and it ain't gonna get any better with the new trillions dollar price tag of Obamacare.

 

Where are your links that prove that? Of course you have none.

 

And it will get worse. The doctors will be too busy coding to see anyone.

 

No, but every other developed country in the world does except us.

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Do you have proof for this?

 

Fact? The news? Government? It is the reason many doctors quit taking Medicare patients, they can't afford to.

 

Yes, the debt orgy that the world is going through trying to spend it's way into oblivion is just fantastic isn't it? World debt is now over 100 trillion dollars. Eventually that debt bubble will burst. If you think you are not getting enough free stuff now, wait to see what your world looks like after that.

 

They won't pay for it. They will use highly targeted ad campaigns to scare the heck out of swing voting seniors and it will be politics as usual.

This is something I may rant about in the future, but right now it is a still pretty raw subject for other reasons. I will, however, point out that the practice changes noted in your article may very well have been a major factor in my dad dying of cancer without it being discovered until he was in late stage 4.

He knew he was getting sicker and sicker and went to his doctor religiously where he was seen by nurse practitioners who apparently did not know how to see a tumor in an x-ray, dismissing it as congestion. Even when he would insist he needed to see the doctor, they would promise his next appointment would be with the doctor, and voila, there was Nurse Pippy because the doctor had a "schedule change". He had decided he was just never going to the doctor again after the last visit, and when my brother and I pretty much had to bum rush him into the car a few weeks later to force him to the ER, it took them a whopping 1 x-ray to see the freaking massive tumor lying behind the pneumonia congestion.

 

Same with my Dad. He had been sick for some time and finally found out that he had Pancreatic Cancer on a Wednesday and he died that Sunday.

 

you were never sick pre-Obamacare were you, insurance companies all have their own set of codes.. I do think a standard set of codes would help