Defensive war - especially pertaining to the Middle East. Cases and criteria?

If you had been paying attention instead of manufacturing non sequiturs, you should know by now that Only the general (social) Powers enumerated are to Tax, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States, not any Thing (i.e. the common Offense) and every Thing (i.e. the general Warfare) as the right would have us believe.

 

I have, unfortunately.

Do you even know the meaning of that phrase.

Your grammar is also pretty bad as well.
There's no violation of the underlined part.

Neither of those things are mentioned at all. And this is because its not necessary to mention them as there is no such thing as general warfare nor common offence as these are terms which you have made up (fabricated).

That's an opinion; do you have any facts?

 

Like I stated earlier, it merely requires a clue and a Cause. It is about context. We know our federal Congress has no delegated authority but for that specifically enumerated.

There must be some distinction between the common defense and the common offense or general warfare. Or, do you believe those Terms are inter-changeable in any given (social) Contract?

The common Defense of the United States cannot be the common Offense in any given theater of conflict as politics as usual. Likewise, to claim what you do would be to omit various world wars and that form of general warfare.

 

You've said that 3 or 4 times now without justification.
Seriously you have the amongst the most skewed logic I've come across

The terms general welfare is general enough for the US to enact whatever reforms that deemed necessary as long as they don't come into conflict.

No there isn't a distinction.

There is not such thing as a common offence

No it wouldn't at all. There is no such thing as general warfare either.

Tell you what if you can find the terms "common offence" or "general warfare" within the US constitution then I'll consider that contention to be in your favour.

 

Did you miss the whole point of our discussion of Government, limited to those Powers specifically enumerated?

 

Yes it is.

 

No.
As I said prove that the aforementioned terms exist in your laws or admit that you're a liar.

 

No, it isn't. That would require letters of marque or reprisal from our federal Congress if they cannot justify wartime Tax rates for a real war.

 

You really do need a clue and a Cause. Did you miss the whole point of our discussion of Government, limited to those Powers specifically enumerated?

It is the right that must show those powers exist. The left knows our federal Congress is Only delegated the general powers to Tax, to pay the Debts, and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; not, any Thing and every Thing as the right would have us believe with their fiscally less responsible, spending and financing.

 

You don't have a point and I've asked you several times to produce the evidence to show where the terms "common offence" and "general warfare" exist in your laws. As you have failed to produce this evidence you are therefore a liar and warrant suspicion of trolling.

No it isn't. It was up to you; a task which you have failed to do.

This is an opinion. Where are the facts? because you haven't produced a single one to substantiate your abstruse and chronically vague argument and is little more than an uneducated form of substandard special pleading.

It really is that simple.

 

It must just be your lack of understanding of English.

Did you miss the whole point of our discussion of Government, limited to those Powers specifically enumerated? The left knows our federal Congress is Only delegated the general powers to Tax, to pay the Debts, and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; not, any Thing and every Thing as the right would have us believe with their fiscally less responsible, spending and financing. It is the right that must show those (social) Powers exist. There is no Appeal to Igrnorance of the law.

 

Still can't spell ignorance; it must be your lack of the understanding of English.
I asked you provide evidence of the existence of the aforementioned terms which you have failed to do therefore you whole argument is not just a fallacy, its a downright lie.

 

It must just be your lack of understanding of English. Simply resorting to fallacy is an error in reasoning regardless of spelling or punctuation.

The left knows our federal Congress is Only delegated the general powers to Tax, to pay the Debts, and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; not, any Thing and every Thing as the right would have us believe with their fiscally less responsible, spending and financing.

There are no enumerated social Powers to provide for the common offense or general warfare as politics as usual.

 

No. I at least have a university education so I know how to write.

Gibberish

Good so now you've finally admitted it; those terms don't exist. Also this underlined part doesn't even make sense.
So now that you've just fouled up your own argument; why don't you go away instead of trolling every topic that you comment on.

 

It must be your fallacious understanding of English since you have yet to describe an actual fallacy, but only your unsubstantiated opinion.

Did you miss the whole point of our discussion of Government, limited to those Powers specifically enumerated?

The left knows our federal Congress is Only delegated the general powers to Tax, to pay the Debts, and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; not, any Thing and every Thing as the right would have us believe with their fiscally less responsible, spending and financing.

There are no enumerated social Powers to provide for the common offense or general warfare, as politics as usual--they must require formal declarations and wartime tax rates.

 

Neither have you.

Considering you've ignored my queries, why should I answer yours?

You alleged that there must be; which you have subsequently proven to be false

 

How did you prove it false? Only the general powers to provide for the common defense and general welfare are enumerated, for politics as usual.

 

Hope you two have had some good fun.

Now tell me, was Israel's poking of Syria in 1966/1967 a Defensive war? If not, please continue your discussion in the forum section "Metaphysics and obfuscations"
Many thanks for not hijacking ..... LOL

 

Our Constitution covers it.

 

No US State was involved in the 67 war in Syria

 

What silliness you babble on about. There is neither a requirement of formal declarations of war OR war time tax rates. The constitution only LIMITS declarations of war to Congress and there is no limitation to declarations of war to providing for the common defense.

 

it covers it for us.

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It helps if you pay attention to the arugments; there is no (social) Power to provide for the common offense or general warfare of the United States, it must be through a declaration of war and war should require wartime tax rates to ensure we win, even if only through attrition.

 

Sorry klipkap but unfortunately its in that posters nature to derail topics. To be honest if you or Hbendor hadn't responded then he would have just gone away.
And I was hoping to steer the conversation towards the legal basis for war because that would have at least in general brought it back to your OP.

 

It helps if YOU pay attention to the post YOU chose to quote and respond to. Specifically,

Our Constitution is irrelevant to the question

 

Israel started it all BBC documentary (Definition of 'Defensive WAR')

VIDEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQh6yovxBag