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Defensive war - especially pertaining to the Middle East. Cases and criteria?

Discussion in 'Middle East' started by klipkap, Dec 9, 2014.

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  1. klipkap

    klipkap Well-Known Member

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    Sorry to bring this to you Daniel, but your focus on the internal laws of one of the 192 countries on this planet is not very compelling. I suggest you seek a broader field of reference, particularly given the frequent disdain of that country for international laws and protocols.

    Do you have a view regarding Israel's pokings at Syria in 1966-1967. Was that part of a "defensive" war?
     
    klipkap, Dec 23, 2014
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  2. danielpalos

    danielpalos Banned

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    You may be missing the point about the theory of defensive war and any justification for it.

    I thought it was about the "theory" of defensive war in the Middle East.

    In the US, our Constitution covers that theory.

    It is also interesting to note that the South resorted to a "defensive war" and was distinguishable from "offensive war".

    And, like the South, it didn't seem to accomplish the stated objective.
     
    danielpalos, Dec 23, 2014
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    No it doesnt.
     
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  4. danielpalos

    danielpalos Banned

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    Yes, it does; it is in Article 1, Section 10.
     
    danielpalos, Dec 23, 2014
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    That applies only to these United States, silly, Not Israel.

    No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

    And of course, this all becomes irrelevant WITH the consent of Congress.
     
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    danielpalos Banned

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    You may be missing the point about the theory of defensive war and any justification for it; are you on the right?

    I thought it was about the "theory" of defensive war in the Middle East.
     
    danielpalos, Dec 24, 2014
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    Pro-Consul Banned

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    Using international law and not US laws.
     
    Pro-Consul, Dec 24, 2014
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    No, I got it. YOU are missing that it is A theory of defensive war by one of the United States, WITHOUT the consent of Congress and says nothing about wars waged WITH the consent of Congress.
     
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    danielpalos Banned

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    It was only one justification for States in the US; in any case, a defensive war was tried by the South. Why should we believe it will work now?
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, as opposed to Israel
     
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    danielpalos Banned

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    Israel is a State; in any case, a defensive war was tried by the South. Why should we believe it will work now?
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    The US Constitution only applies to these United States, not Israel.
     
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    danielpalos Banned

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    A State is a State if we are discussing any form of "theory".

    why does the right appeal to special pleading regarding "defensive war"?
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    And The US Constitution STILL only applies to these United States, not Israel.
     
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    What is your point; my only point is that if sufficient exigency exists, it could be lawful for a State as expressed through the wisdom of our Founding Fathers in our supreme law of the land.
     
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    diversions are also, usually considered fallacies, person on the right.

    It could be said, that defensive war hasn't worked since our Civil War. Why should we confide in the sincerity of our elected representatives, if they cannot tell the difference between the common defense and general welfare, and the common offense and general warfare.

    In the US, we have a Commerce Clause; it is merely useless to the right, for now.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Do you actually think these pidgin english sentences like this have any meaning whatsover? And the only diversion here is you bringing up Constitutional restrictions on these United States, in a discussion about wars between middle eastern nations. You AVOID topics of discussion because you have nothing relevant to offer.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Which of course is irrelevant to the topic of discussion and is instead how you avoid the topic of discussion.
     
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    It could be said, that defensive war hasn't worked since our Civil War. Why should we confide in the sincerity of the right who may claim to believe it is any thing more than a simple, preemptive strike rather than a defensive "war".
     
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