Did Rabbi Jesus/Yeshua learn about healing in India before teaching in Judaea?

http://evangelicaluniversalist.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4027

Josephus histories are good, but Roman orientated - he worked for the Romans - His views on religious matters a debatable. He was a traitor to his people and his religion.

Now I've got around a 1000 plants to deal with so my replies may be delayed.

 

Thank you for doing more than your share toward stabilization of the climate.


http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/globalW2.htm

I just now noticed that in that article by Walter Semkiw M. D.
he gives some evidence all the way back to 80 C. E.

http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=semkiw-reincarnation-past-lives-judaism-past-lives&hl=en_US

My conclusion so far is that all souls end up in a paradise heaven........
For example Ms. Barbro Karlen of Sweden is probably Miss Anne Frank reincarnated.... but if you or I died and went to heaven next year..... we could still go and meet with Miss Anne Frank........... a part of her over soul has reincarnated.... but only a part........
Miss Anne Frank is even more real in heaven than she was while she lived in Holland......

So reincarnation is true..... and resurrection is true.... . these two seemingly conflicting ideas do not conflict at all but instead add to each other........

Oh.... three year old Christian little boy Colton Burpo met with Samson and King David in the heaven that he went to........
so the misconceptions that divide us while we are here on earth........
those misunderstanding can be cleared up within seconds of dying and floating outside of our bodies.........

 

Kabbalah and Zohar are mysteries to the ordinary Jew. And they are, IMO, nonsense

Josephus wrote that the Jews believed in reincarnation. Jesus didn't - 'today shalt thou be with me in Paradise'.
Josephus quote to his men about reincarnation is just an encouragement to fight. One he sadly neglected when, instead of fighting to the death, he personally surrendered to the Romans - and in return for his life, worked as an official Roman historian. And gained Roman citizenship.

Belief in the eventual resurrection of the dead is a fundamental belief of traditional Judaism. It was a belief that distinguished the Pharisees (intellectual ancestors of Rabbinical Judaism) from the Sadducees. The Sadducees rejected the concept, because it is not explicitly mentioned in the Torah. The Pharisees found the concept implied in certain verses.

Belief in resurrection of the dead is one of Rambam's 13 Principles of Faith. The second blessing of the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, which is recited three times daily, contains several references to resurrection. (Note: the Reform movement, which apparently rejects this belief, has rewritten the second blessing accordingly).

The resurrection of the dead will occur in the messianic age, a time referred to in Hebrew as the Olam Ha-Ba, the World to Come, but that term is also used to refer to the spiritual afterlife. When the messiah comes to initiate the perfect world of peace and prosperity, the righteous dead will be brought back to life and given the opportunity to experience the perfected world that their righteousness helped to create. The wicked dead will not be resurrected.

There are some mystical schools of thought that believe resurrection is not a one-time event, but is an ongoing process. The souls of the righteous are reborn in to continue the ongoing process of tikkun olam, mending of the world. Some sources indicate that reincarnation is a routine process, while others indicate that it only occurs in unusual circumstances, where the soul left unfinished business behind. Belief in reincarnation is also one way to explain the traditional Jewish belief that every Jewish soul in history was present at Sinai and agreed to the covenant with G-d. (Another explanation: that the soul exists before the body, and these unborn souls were present in some form at Sinai). Belief in reincarnation is commonly held by many Chasidic sects, as well as some other mystically-inclined Jews.

Olam Ha-Ba: The World to Come. Resurrection - not reincarnation.


Back to work

 

Your quotation does not in any way rule out the idea of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus believing in
reincarnation.

I have a rather serious challenge for you...... ten Jews can represent the entire nation on occasion so:

Who would you prefer for the role of Elijah?

......
It seems to me that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus may have deliberately induced an
out of the body experience or full fledged near death experience.... and he
knew about the paradise that the other thief on the cross would soon be
in within seconds after he finally died.

Helen Wambach Ph. D. found out that the average amount of time between
reincarnations is about 52 years..... but of course that can fluctuate partly due to
the population of the world.

Matthew 11:7 - 15

I get the impression from these words that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus believed firmly in reincarnation.....
believed that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah......
and stated emphatically that Elijah would reincarnate in the latter days with a pretty massive role to play.

 

Elijah will appear to herald the Approach of the Messiah. That's why the Jews have a glass at their festival meals called the Elijah Cup. It holds wine in case Elijah appears. This is not reincarnation. If Elijah appeared in every house that would be a multiple reincarnation. That excludes John the Baptist. Samuel appeared to Saul - but it was not a reincarnation.

Helen Wambach has only proved that people know of things that happened in the past. My own belief is that this is knowledge past down through the generations of experiences of their ancestors by some natural genetic means we have yet to discover.

Helen Wambach Ph. D. found out that the average amount of time between
reincarnations is about 52 years..... but of course that can fluctuate partly due to
the population of the world.

This implies that someone is controlling reincarnation. Do you believe that?

 

Yes... my belief is that HaShem / The G-d of Abraham sends our souls back over and over again......
at least twelve times....... (more likely 24 times)..... into each of the tribes of Israel.......
but I believe that Jews also reincarnate on occasion as Gentiles in order to grow in empathy and compassion.

Isaiah 45 seems to predict a very human Moshiach ben Ephrayim who will come first.......
Moshiach ben David comes later......

 

Well, that's your choice.

Moshiach ben Ephrayim? Why would a Messiah come from the tribe of Ephraim? A renegade tribe. Psalm 78:65-69.
They rejected worship at Jerusalem's Temple and worshiped at Shiloh - as did the Northern Kingdom - until the Assyrians destroyed their temple. Those Ephraimites who remained became involved with the newly 'imported' Samaritans. They also rejected the offer of the south to worship at Jerusalem.

 

One theory is that Moshiach ben Ephrayim makes up for the sins of
King Jereboam and is similar to General Joshua.

Apparently he is used in the defeat of Esau.

http://www.chabad.org/library/moshiach/article_cdo/aid/101747/jewish/Appendix-II.htm

 

Jewish tradition speaks of two redeemers,

The whole of the above article is made up of various interpretations by people, Midrashes, Sukah, Targums and Rashi - and many others things I could probably add my own to them, but why bother.

 

Do you consider it blasphemy to question the possibility of even Moses reincarnating as a descendant of Ephrayim?


http://www.breslev.co.il/articlePrintVersion.aspx?id=21095&language=english

 

No. I consider it an impossibility. Moses never existed except in the minds of the scribes who wrote the historical novel called The Pentateuch.

It's midnight here, and I'm off to bed.

By the way note the last paragraph of your quote 'It's an interesting concept...'

 

I would like to hear yours?

What do you think of my theory that the Patriarch Judah is the most likely person to have reincarnated as
the Danite Judge Samson? Just do a search in the Jewish scriptures for the town of Timnath in Philistine
territory and it seems that both the Patriarch Judah as well as Samson get into some similar trouble there.

To me this is a clue in scripture that Samson was Judah on earth again.



As I understand it today is the last day of Passover and I think you might rather enjoy the
e-mail message that I sent off to P. M. Benjamin Netanyahu last week........


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...f-elijah-needed.499830/page-4#post-1067322481

 

Like the rest they would be personal interpretations and assumptions. Not my thing.

Timnath is in Canaan - Ephraim Territory. Let's suppose that Judah existed this is where his event supposedly occurred. At the time it was controlled by Egypt. In the time of Samson it was still in Ephraim Territory - but the Philistines had invaded and controlled the area for a time.

As you know I don't believe in reincarnation. If there is some kind of life 'Spirit life' it certainly does not concern being reincarnated. Nor is it the Christian view.

Passover was 1 day only. The following 7 days are the Feast of unleavened bread. It has been combined, but the 2 festivals are completely different in character.

 

I am of the opinion that some variation of belief in reincarnation
may have been part of the teachings of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus that the
Roman Catholic church wanted edited out of the Christian scriptures by the
fifth century.

Five paragraphs that have the potential to save this world!

 

But what are the teachings of Jesus? Some of the words put into the mouth of Jesus and others at odds with his beliefs as a Jew. With what he had been taught from the age of 5. He used the Torah and the Tanakh regularly. He believed in it and quoted it to his disciples. They knew the Tanakh as well, being, like Jesus, brought up with it.
Why would he suddenly say he was the Son of God when he knew god had no 'son'. "Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one" (Hebrew: שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָֽד׃‎).
Why would he believe in a vicarious human sacrifice which was anathema to his beliefs? Every Jew was responsible for his own sins - and repentance. Yom Kippur!
What was the point of trying to bring Israel back to Yahweh? What was the point in castigating the religious hierarchy for their hypocrisy and diversion from the Torah?
Christianity has simply adapted the Tanakh and misinterpreted it scriptures for it's own. This has happened down through the history of man and religions.

Jesus was a Jewish preacher, and you can see it when you look at his teachings which have not been tampered with.

 

If.... my theory has some validity that he may have induced a full fledged
near death experience or at least an out of the body experience through fasting......

then if he was shown something along the same line as what was shown to former Atheist Mellen Benedict......

then his new understanding of the Prexistence of his own soul / over soul.........
would have altered how he viewed all of this....... in comparison to what his perhaps Essene teachers had taught him while he was a child......

http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

Mellen Benedict was astonished about his own soul or over soul....... existing for so long before he had been born............. but Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was it seems a very talkative person..... who gave his opinions on what he had perhaps seen in a spiritual experience?

That is my theory anyway.

This would help to make some sense out of the tradition that Satan...... had been asked to bow to Adam and had refused. the ArchAngels Michael and Gabriel on the other hand.... are said to have done so...... and they led their two thirds of the angels to follow their example......

 

Visions, dreams, NDF experiences are in , and of the brain.

Traditions are just that. Some have a beginning in fact. Some don't.

Satan was not asked to bow to Adam. Nowhere in scripture. Satan is a messenger of god, sent by god to test men's faith. Only Christianity turns him into an enemy of god. Satan was supposedly allowed to test Job's faith to the bitter end, and Job passed (Actually the story is adapted from an earlier story). Jesus was supposedly tested by Satan - and he, too, passed. Gospel writers again adapting the Tanakh for their own purpose.

I have few theories. I prefer facts.

If you believed all the Jewish 'traditions' you would have a completely different Bible than the one you have today. Jewish traditions, festivals etc often come from earlier periods. New religions are often formed from older religions. The Catholic Church has adapted some Jewish ritual in it's own practises

 

I am a Christian who agrees with essentially ninety five percent of everything in this Chabad article:


Is there any sort of Purgatory or Satan in Jewish teachings?

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I would have to say thought that I think that Satan, Lucifer,
really got into the rivalry between himself and Adam and Eve......
I suspect that we humans will soon face something similar when we invent
an A. I. that is so intelligent....... and emotional...... that they cannot
deal with the injustice of being second class behind the children of their
owners?!

 

Is there any sort of Purgatory or Satan in Jewish teachings?

Jewish teaching of the time was that the dead descended into a place where the considered their lives. Those who were evil either went into darkness, or were destroyed. The good were assigned to Olam Ba. The Catholics adapted this belief for their doctrine of Purgatory.

Satan - or HaSatan (The Satan) appears as a messenger of God and the tester of men's faith - as with the supposed testing of Job and Jesus. This, in Christian eyes, made him an enemy of God.
When a metallurgist tests the strength of his steel, is he an enemy of the steel. No, he's performing his task.

 

Exactly what then fifteen year old Natan reported after his
brush with death.

His interview is in Hebrew....... but there are English subtitles
for the video in this article.

Israeli Teen Returns from 15 Minutes of Clinical Death with Spiritual Messages Concerning the Coming Redemption
Read more at https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/...phecy-video-jewish-world/#sppL4MKgM4JQ7ibp.99




Rabbi Rami Levy & 15 year old Natan english subtitles

(Hey... I don't have audio here... but that won't stop me from reading those subtitles again.).....

Natan reports meeting......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef

during his NDE.

 

Well, he would. That's what Jews believed. It was in his brain.

 

But he was Secular Jew, not overly religious at all..... he was outside his body for fifteen minutes.....
and came back with an understanding of deep and esoteric beliefs of Jewish scholars and Mystics that would make
twenty year doctorate level Yeshiva students proud?!

I watched the first twenty nine minutes of the video again yesterday and plan to watch the last eight minutes tonight.....
it was truly fascinating.

 

But I'm agnostic, but I still know the Christian beliefs and Jewish beliefs

 

But you and I refer to schools of thought and theories...... and I quote some testimonies.....
Natan spoke with an amazing authority........ it seemed to me
like he knew what he was talking about.

Which reminds me of......

Mark 1:22

"And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes."

 

As I've said before, Jesus was a bright pupil. He learned his lessons from the Tanakh and knew what he was talking about. Study was encouraged for those who showed such promise. Again, IMO, Jesus was a very bright student who was taken on by a Rabbi. An early form of 'university' training. We know this form was practised in Jesus day.